Bladerunner Pistorius charged with murder

Very true but its final and it is what determines your legal status of Guilty or Not.

 

I agree how can a jury of 12 Joe the Plumbers with zero knowledge of law or investigations or forensics or whatever decide a mans fate

I may be wrong but I think I heard the 12 was after the disciples?? a Christian thing I think it was but not sure.....

 

I googled, I didnt see anything anywhere about it being a christian thing. There were many hits but this one includes wiki on the bottom post, so I posted this one.

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question85959.html

 

Another extract from wiki

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During the 11th and 12th centuries, juries were sworn to decide property disputes but it was the Roman Catholic Church's 1215 withdrawal of support for trial by ordeal that necessitated the development of the jury in its modern form.Baker (2002) p.72-73

The first trial by jury took place in the court of Henry the II on 11 June 1168. It was a trial about the murder of an innocent civilian. A man named Benedict Graymond, was tried as the murderer. He had killed this unnamed man with a garden tool, unknown to us today. He was voted guilty by the jury at that time. No members can be traced back to this time.

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Repeat - I do not favour the trial by jury system.


On a lighter note here's Tony Hancock on Jury service :
( Please watch you wont regret the time spent)

[video=youtube;ejHKA2HI4TY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejHKA2HI4TY[/video]

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PRETORIA, South Africa – Reeva Steenkamp, the stunning model allegedly shot to death by her boyfriend Oscar Pistorius on Valentine's day, had planned on drawing on her past abusive relationship for a motivational speech on the day she was murdered. The Daily Telegraph reports that Steenkamp had written a valentine's day speech and was set to give it before the students of Sandown High School in Johannesburg, South Africa, urging them to "be brave," "always see the positive" and to make their voice heard.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/02/16/slain-model-reeva-steenkamp-planned-to-give-speech-on-abuse-day-was-allegedly/

 

I think I'll refrain from conjecture at this point.

 

When the police searched his house after the shooting they found steriods.

 

Does'nt look like Oscar will be doing much running for years to come.

Stoopid boy.

 

Evidence is certainly pointing towards murder, see how this pans out.

 

I havent a clue how the justice system works in Sth Africa but from some past cases in America - no matter what evidence is presented , by employing the most skilled/experience.EXPENSIVE defense Lawyer -
the likes of Oscar (OJ simpson + others ) can get away with murder.

Whether the power of money is that persuasive in Sth Africa, only time will tell.

But its worth remembering that in OLd /Former White controlled Sth Africa - not unlike America's White South, if a white man murdered a Black woman , any court procedures would've been a farce . No White was then ever - even charged for killing a Black person ,

This being a White on White crime - in a more liberal Sth Africa - should be interesting .

(wink)

 

South Africa isn;t more Liberal its just a lot more corrupt.

In the UK if you are charged with Murder you get a top criminal lawyer assigned to you. There is no point hiring your own.

 

Hopefully (assuming he is guilty) he will be convicted and go to prison. Unfortunately, justice seems to be based on how much money you have, so there's a good chance he'll walk.

 

First of all, read our constitution Sab,we are a liberal nation. Secondly, we don't have a jury system, it is in the Jury system that the more expensive the lawyer, the more flair he has, the more likely he is to fool the jurists. Our courts work on facts. The recent case of rich and famous artist Jub-Jub proves this. As does the conviction of super-rich Shackbir Shaik.

And during apartheid many whites were convicted of killing black people, it was a crime to murder, no matter who you murdered.


Facts are our friends!

AH

 

Your constitution is one thing but you are an incredibly corrupt country - vastly more so than under Apartheid.

 

Well one, how does that not make us liberal, as that was your point. You said we are not liberal, because we are corrupt, so please qualify your statement by saying what the one has got to d with the other. And then two what has that got to do with the case? All studies show that our judicial system has not been hit by the corruption, that lies in governmental and contractual issues, so what has that corruption got to do with Oscar Pistorius and his girlfriend?

I eagerly await your reply.
AH

 

Trial by internet forum. Don't you just love it?

 

Internet democracy would work. Cyber punishments might prove difficult.

 

I take your point African hope - one can be liberal and corrupt however your meaning of Liberal and my meaning might be different. I call myself a liberal and in a European sense I am but not in a US sense which seems to imply left-progressivism.

South Africa's judicial system may very well not be corrupt but the Police certainly are the the near genocide of white farmers that largely goes unpunished in South Africa is quite horrendous especially since a large part of the ANC seems to support it (The Juluis Malema bit)

 

Agree with you Liebe, the African police have him dead to rights no matter how much he sobs on his cowardly ass and his dadda pleads for him. She was probably leaving him for good this time, and he couldn't take it. She was for empowering women against abuse; just the kind of woman he would have to stop.

How do you calculate the drop for hanging a guy with no legs?

 

Cat, I guess you mean South African police, there is no Africa police force.

Sab, it is off topic, but there is no genocide. None, DOn't bele the racist hype. Two, the people who murder farmers are caught, and prosecuted and sent to jail all the time, again, just some reading and facts would really help. 3 I am not American. I am South African. Just do a quick google of the South African constitution, and you wil see it is hailed as one if the most liberal in the world, by European standards.

silly example I know, but gay marriage has been legal here for almost 10 years now, unlike the UK, or France.

AH

 

Please link to where it is' hailed by most in the world' if you make big claims you better make big evidence

The Racists are the government and their policies which discriminate against White ,coloured and Asian people.
the fact that Malema is so big in the ANC shows how racist that party is.

 

Okay wow, you really get your facts wrong don't you. Malema was expelled from the ANC. Months ago. Oh boy, you really don't even try and get the facts do you. And you fail to give proof of genocide. You just change the charge. And there are whites and coloureds and Indians in the government, high up as a matter of fact, so again, you just don't even try, do you. You also fail to say what this has to do with the Pistorius case.


And then, easy to google really:
http://www.sapolitics.co.za/
and http://www.sapolitics.co.za/constitution

but I did not say hailed by most in the world, that is your words, not mine.

Oh another link
http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/4581/1/Democratic Constitution Making.pdf?1 page 7 I think.
http://130.102.44.246/login?auth=0&...h_politics_policy_and_law/v026/26.4pillay.pdf
http://www.saha.org.za/news/2013/Fe...al_opening_of_the_sa_constitutional_court.htm

and so forth.

 

I know he was expelled, he still has massive support especially from the youth sections

You never asked for it but you can start here

Quote On 15 September 2011, Genocide Watch placed South Africa at level 6, Preparation, saying "we have evidence of organized incitement to violence against White people".[9] However, on 2 February 2012, Genocide Watch returned South Africa to level 5, Polarization.[9] As of 14 August 2012, Genocide Watch was resetting South Africa to level 6. [1] Genocide Watch stated that by 2001 "2.2 percent of ethno-European (White) farmers had already been murdered and more than... 12 percent of these farmers had been attacked on their farms".[9] As of December 2011 approximately 3,158 - 3,811 White farmers have been murdered in these attacks.[10][11][12]

That doesn'lt rule out massive racial discrimination against them..having some token members

Your words and you wil see it is hailed as one if the most liberal in the world, by European standards.
proof please

 

Yes Africa, I meant the South African police. I want to visit South Africa some day - that is gorgeous country!

To get back on topic of the thread, Gerrie Nel is a seasoned prosecutor who had the guts and the smarts to take on the former national head of police and head of Interpol, Jackie Selebi, on corruption charges, against the position of the then president Thabo Mbeki. Given the information he has and his track record I do believe he has Pistol Pissy dead to rights.

 

It certainly is not looking good for Pistorius. Still not jumping to any conclusions this early in the case.