Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood

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  1. Rapunzel

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    North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood

    Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.

    It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

    "It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.

    But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.

    "I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said.

    Once parked, she couldn't believe what she was asked next.

    "They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that."

    At the very least, she said, they wanted to test her breath for alcohol.

    She said she felt trapped.

    "I finally did the Breathalyzer test just because I thought that would be the easiest way to leave," she said, adding she received no money.

    Fort Worth police earlier said they could not immediately find any record of officer involvement but police spokesman Sgt. Kelly Peel said Tuesday that the department's Traffic Division coordinated with the NHTSA on the use of off-duty officers after the agency asked for help with the survey.

    "We are reviewing the actions of all police personnel involved to ensure that FWPD policies and procedures were followed," he said. "We apologize if any of our drivers and citizens were offended or inconvenienced by the NHTSA National Roadside Survey."

    NBC DFW confirmed that the survey was done by a government contractor, the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, which is based in Calverton, Md.

    A company spokeswoman referred questions to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

    An agency spokeswoman sent an email confirming the government is conducting the surveys in 30 cities across the country in an effort to reduce impaired-driving accidents.

    She did not respond to another email from NBC DFW asking specific questions about the program..

    But a Fort Worth attorney who is an expert in civil liberties law questioned whether such stops are constitutional.

    "You can't just be pulled over randomly or for no reason," said attorney Frank Colosi.

    He also noted the fine print on a form given to drivers informs them their breath was tested by "passive alcohol sensor readings before the consent process has been completed."

    "They're essentially lying to you when they say it's completely voluntary, because they're testing you at that moment," Colosi said.

    He also questioned the results of the "voluntary" survey -- speculating that drivers who had been drinking or using drugs would be more inclined to simply decline to participate.

    Cope said she is troubled by what happened.

    "It just doesn't seem right that they should be able to do any of it," she said. "If it's voluntary, it's voluntary, and none of it felt voluntary."

    Asked Tuesday if she accepted the police department's apology, Cope said she would wait to see what the review showed.

    "They need to make sure this doesn't happen again," she said.

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    OK they apologized but who thought this was OK in America? What is going on with my country? Why are people being stopped and corralled into a parking lot for testing??? Is this Russia???

    Seems they are just testing the limits of what they can get away with...but why???

    Note: 7.9 million for this crap that is clearly unconstitutional???

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is an agency of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, part of the Department of Transportation.
     
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    Stange...guess no one cares.
     
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    Absolute absurdity.

    The police state is here.

    "Lets see if people will balk at this voluntary program, and if not, we can implement it at will, mandatory, and full steam."
     
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    Breathalyzer? Sure. DNA..with NO WARRANT/COURT ORDER? When HELL FREEZES OVER....


    Good gravy, WTF is going on here with the Fed?
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I think this was a test to see what people would tolerate...how much they could push, then shove. God, I'm so sad for my country.
     
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    Guess this is Obama's civilian army? Honestly I have no idea why some of this (*)(*)(*)(*) is going one other than communism.
     
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    By what authority does the Fed DARE to usurp the Personal Freedoms of the citizens who PAY THEM?
     
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    Even a Breathalyzer for no reason is against the U.S. Constitution. Liberals looking to randomly gather DNA? Authoritarian Statists... just like I always said.
     
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    Oh my Gawd! This is shocking!! And they even asked for the driver's blood sample?

    It's getting worse.....a LOT worse! What's next???!
     
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    So am I and have been for quite awhile now. It's not the wonderful, free country I grew up in... I HATE the tho't of what my 13 yr old granddaughter and 7 yr old grandson will grow up in........
     
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    What a stupid, stupid thing to do, from both a civil liberties perspective and a scientific perspective.

    I don't care if it is voluntary, police shouldn't be pulling people over without a legal justification. Otherwise they have no right impeding you from your daily business, even for a minute.

    And from a scientific perspective, this will be one hell of a skewed study. Somebody under the influence is going to less likely to consent to such a test with cops standing right there. The people consenting will be the sober ones looking to make some easy money.
     
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    They need to get a handle on all those evil pot smokers driving around looking for white castle.
     
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    Amen ! For $60 a stop just lock the steering wheel in a wide circle. You should be able to pull down between $120-$180/hr.
     

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    Same here with my grands. They'll never know what freedom really is.
     
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    Not a single person was forced to give DNA.
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    No, it was voluntary after they were directed to pull over. They shouldn't have ever been directed to pull over unless they were in violation of some law.
     
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    Yeah, those crazy Texas liberals at it again.
     
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    No we care, but this is the kind of country democrats voted for... and we cant do anything about it till November.

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    So you approve of detaining people who have not committed a crime?

    how socialist of you....
     
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    How were they detained?
     
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    Read the OP, its pretty sweet.
     

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