Saudi Arabia deports 50,000 illegal aliens...

I'm sure you see lots of things. I know propaganda and lies when I see it. >>>Flamebait removed<<<

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.. The history of the region is far more complex than you realize.

- - - Updated - - -

How do you know there were 1500 people?

 

I doubt that very much, I think you know nothing about it.

- - - Updated - - -

Its not Christmas.

 

Foreign workers go to brokers in their own countries and pay to get work in KSA.. Most of the brokers are ethical, but some are unscrupulous .. and those expat workers arrive in KSA with no jobs.

 

That's funny, you talking about ethics.

 

Ethics are based on the Ten Commandments.. Which also means that you don't lie, steal or bear false witness.

 

Islam condones lying. Why do you defend it?

 

Tayqqyia is like NOT telling your wife she looks fat in a certain dress even though she asked.

Or it can be a way to prevent discord or save your life..

Much like Abraham lied to the Pharaoh when he said Sara was not his wife, but his sister.

The more you learn the better off you'll be.

 

The fact you knew what I was talking about shows you condone it and defend it. Anyone who defends lying cannot be trusted. It's as simple as that. Your words are as hollow as the clangs of a bell.

 

Of course I know what it means... Christians don't have to be ignorant.

 

Just goes to show how desperate the situation is. Israel kids are protected by a well equipped military force - armed by US Govt. with US Tax dollars.
Its easy for you to take abt it being "sick" - you've no idea what life for those kids are like - witnessing their parents being kicked around by Jew soldiers.


If you sincere + wish to understand then Listen to the children :

[video=youtube;Ewo69ch01OU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewo69ch01OU[/video]

Watch and learn :

[video=youtube;0bdbA2Ka3Bo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo[/video]


... Have a nice day .---


..

 

Perhaps so , under certain conditions, much the Same as can be said about Talmudic Judaism , or doesn't that matter to you ?


GO LEARN.

 

I agree that Christians don't have to be ignorant, but some choose to as your posts reveal.

- - - Updated - - -

Give me an example.

 

I asked an expert and this is what he said :

Translated from original classical Arabic

"
The Quran does not condone or encourage lying. Lying is incompatible with Islam (Submission).

Reflect on these verses:

40:28 And a believing man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his belief, said: &#65533;Will you kill a man simply for saying: &#65533;My Lord is God&#65533;, and he has come to you with proofs from your Lord? And if he is a liar, then his lie will be upon him, and if he is truthful, then some of what he is promising you will afflict you. For God does not guide any transgressor, liar.&#65533;

9:119 O you who believe, be aware of God and be with the truthful.


39:3 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him: &#65533;We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.&#65533; God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
And there are many more....


If your life is being threatened (someone has a gun to your head..your family is at the risk of being killed as a result of your beliefs..etc..) then you may conceal your beliefs.

However, this is the ONLY case in which you are allowed to do this. Nobody should have to be a forced into martyrdom for their faith if given the choice to avoid this. Here is the verse:

16:106 Whoever rejects God after having believed - except for he who is forced while his heart is still content with belief - and has comforted his chest towards rejection, then these will have a wrath from God and they will have a great retribution.

Some advice:


This is not just about Islam. Anytime you want to advocate any kind of ideology because you believe it to be true...you should never lie. If you lie, then you are being a hypocrite and will only attract more of your kind. Stick to the truth and don't be afraid to say "I don't know".

It's better to be in the company of a few good friends, then in the company of a large group that only hides the truth and believes in conjecture.

------------------
Stick to facts instead of parroting crap from dubious sources


. (wink)

 

Jesus never told his followers to lie about their beliefs, regardless of circumstances. Who is this "expert"? Give me his name.

 

Right , Jesus was according to NT a stickler for what he believed to be "truth" , therefore NOT A JEW, on the other hand, Talmudic Jews seem to justify telling lies .

Read and learn :

"

Talmud Encourages Jews To Deceive





What kind of religion sanctions deception and immorality for the sake of political goals?
Orthodox Talmudic Judaism.

The Babylonian Talmud encourages Jews to cheat and deceive Gentiles whenever necessary! In fact, "by way of deception" is the motto of Israel's spy agency Mossad. Official license to deceive and even commit sexual immorality was seen in Israel this week. Eminent <http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsID=30188>Orthodox Rabbi Ari Shvat responded to a female student's question about the morality of seducing and sleeping with an enemy. " I was asked a question by a student of mine who was a religious girl that had been recruited by the Mossad. She wanted to know if a woman was allowed to do this kind of work." Shvat ruled yes and published an essay in Tehumin, an annual collection of articles on law and modernity. The Jewish World summarizes: "A new Halachic study ruled that seducing an enemy for the sake of national security is an important mitzvah" It is, in fact, an "utmost mitzvah" (legal command). Shvat's work was published by the Tzomet Institute, a non-profit organization dedicated to "seamlessly merging Judaism with modern Israeli life." In the ruling, Shvat says women can be "used to seduce enemy agents in order to cajole information out of them or see them captured." Jewish World says such women were used to capture nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu and to assassinate a senior Hamas operative in Dubai last January. Such deception, says the rabbi, is "Halacha," or binding Talmudic law. Even with homicidal intent, he writes, "sexual intercourse with a Gentile for the sake of a national cause is not only sanctioned, but is a highly important mitzvahOur Sages of Blessed Memory elevate such acts of dedication to the top of the Halacha's mitzvahs pyramid." Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, head of Tzomet Institute and editor-in-chief of Tehumin, called the study "daring and importantAlthough it is highly unlikely that Mossad agents will seek rabbinical advice, this essay is very important and courageous. The author is versed in religious discourse and even conservative rabbis would surely agree with his thesis." Shvat's ruling, reported by a major Jewish news agency, is presented without criticism. It reveals a disturbing, even ominous fact: Talmudic Judaism encourages Jews to ensnare and deceive Gentiles in order to advance Jews and Jewish causes, as long as they can get away with it. If they are caught and Israel is embarrassed, the "holy name of God" (synonymous with Israel's good reputation) may be blasphemed. If that is a real possibility, the Talmud tells Jews to back off. But in order to save the Jewish nation it is even morally permitted to murder and commit adultery. God "Outlawed" the Gentiles The Talmudic position concerning deception of Gentiles is embodied in the Halachic dictum, "It is permitted to deceive a goy (Gentile)." [1] In legal and business matters, the Talmud says Gentiles are beneath equality with Jews. As the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia explains [2], the Gentiles were "outlawed" by God from the beginning. The passage in Moses' farewell address: 'The Lord came form Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from Mount Paran'. . . indicates that the Almighty offered the Torah to the Gentile nations also, but, since they refused to accept it, He withdrew His 'shining' legal protection form them, and transferred their property rights to Israel, who observed His law. A passage in Habakkuk is quoted as confirming this claim: 'God came from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Paran. . .He stood and measured the earth he beheld, and drove asunder ["outlawed"] the nations.' . . .the Talmud adds that He had observed how the Gentile nations steadfastly refused to obey the seven moral Noachian precepts, and hence He decided to outlaw them." (Baba Kama 38a). The rabbis believed Gentiles demonstrated their stupidity by thinking their own laws were worthy of obeying. The Talmud denies the Gentile status as a "man," so they are also excluded from being the Jews' neighbor. Another reason for discrimination was the vile and vicious character of the Gentiles... With such a character it would naturally be quite unsafe to trust a Gentile as a witness He could not be depended upon to keep his promise or word of honor like a Jew." (Bek. 13b) A Gentile. . . is not a 'neighbor' in the sense of reciprocating and being responsible for damages caused by his negligence; nor does he watch over his cattle. Even the best Gentile laws were too crude to admit of reciprocity. The meaning of these passages is obvious: As animals cannot be "neighbors" to men and as the behavior and laws of the animal world do not require observance by humans, so the Gentile world is beneath the Jewish. This source confirms: "The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast." In a Jewish Courtroom Jewish contempt for Gentile law was best illustrated in the courtroom. Imagine a Jewish court in Babylon in 350 A.D. as the Jewish Encyclopedia describes: It sometimes happened that the Gentile, wishing to take advantage of the liberal Jewish laws, summoned his Jewish opponent to a Jewish court. In such cases the Gentile would gain little benefit, as he would be dealt with by the Jewish or Gentile laws, as might be least advantageous to him. The judge would say: 'This is in accordance with our law' or 'with your law' as the case might be. If this was not satisfactory to the Gentile, legal quibbles and circumventions might be employed against him. The primary source for the above quote, Baba Kama 113a (Soncino edition), elaborates: Where a suit arises between an Israelite and a heathen, if you can satisfy the former according to the laws of Israel, justify him and say: 'this is our law'; so also if you can justify him by the laws of the heathens justify him and say (to the other party): 'This is your law; but if this cannot be done, we use subterfuges to circumvent them. This is the view of R. Ishmael, but R. Akiba said that we could not attempt to circumvent them on account of the sanctification of the Name. However, the same source comments: "but were there no infringement of the sanctification of the Name, we could circumvent him." By "sanctification of the Name," Rabbi Akiba refers to the dignity and reputation of God's name in the eyes of the world. If lying in the court may bring disrespect to Israel and thus to the God of the Hebrews will, then it had better not be done. The real question about perverting justice against a Gentile is whether a Jew can get away with it. The Jewish Encyclopedia summarizes the majority opinion, stating: "The Mishnah. . .declares that if a Gentile sue an Israelite, the verdict is the for defendant; if the Israelite is the plaintiff, he obtains full damages." [3] The Divine Right of Cheating Outright robbery of a Gentile is not endorsed, but the Talmud makes broad provision for indirect thievery; a Jew doesn't need to return a lost article to a Gentile. Baba Kama 113b continues: "And with all lost things of thy brother's: it is to your brother that you make restoration, but you need not make restoration to a heathen." As Rabbi Akiba warned, the Jew must avoid bringing God's name into dishonor by cheating Gentiles. Yet, as a passage in B.K. 113b, 114a reveals, Rabbi Samuel was not above cheating a Gentile out of the full price of a gold bowl, while Rabbi Kahana cheated a Gentile out of both the number and price of a quantity of barrels. A passage from the Talmud describes with praise how the head of a famous Talmudic academy cheated a Gentile out of a gold bowl for less than even a copper one was worth. This passage continues with examples of cheating from the likes of Rabina and Ashi, sages from the academy at Sura in Babylonia, and the two most important figures in the final editing of the Talmud. "Public Property" Despite the fear that defrauding Gentiles might bring dishonor God's name, the Talmud generally upholds the right of Jews to Gentiles' property. God "outlawed" Gentiles at Mt. Sinai and their property rights were now Israel's. The Rabbis by their own decree could at least theoretically declare the property of Gentiles to be ownerless. The Jewish Encyclopedia (p. 621) summarizes: All retaliation or measures of reprisal are based on the Jewish legal maxim of eminent domain, 'the judicial authority can annul the right to the possession of property and declare such property ownerless.' Pharisees: The Original Racists Perhaps the most remarkable feature of Rabbinic bias against the Gentile was that, in most cases, there is no mention of the possibility that the "goy" is doing his best or is the rightful owner of his property. He is viewed as a member of a class with known characteristics: The Jew is good, the Gentile bad; the Jew must be acquitted, the Gentile convicted. An essentially racist view of human nature was assumed. Indeed, the Pharisees were the original racists. Few religions possess such racist undertones as rabbinic Judaism. The bad example of the most respected sages of Israel had a widespread and corrosive effect on the relations of Jews with their neighbors. One wonders if the Gentiles were aware of their position as fair game to predatory Jews. Choschen Ham spells out some of the ground rules for exploiting Gentiles: If a Jew is doing good business with an Akum [Gentile] it is not allowed to other Jews in other places to come and do business with the same Akum. In other places, however, it is different, where another Jew is allowed to go to the same Akum, lead him in, do business with him and to deceive him and take his money. For the wealth of the Akum is to be regarded as common property and belongs to the first who can get it. And again: If a Jew is doing business with an Akum and a fellow Israelite comes along and defrauds the Akum, either by false measure, weight, or number, he must divide his profit with his fellow Israelite, since both had a part in the deal, and also to help him along. [4] Secret Hatred Just as the Talmud gives Jews the right to cheat Gentiles, so any inquiry into its true teachings by Gentiles is answered deceptively. This continues today. Jews must maintain a well-meaning appearance in order to dwell and trade among Gentiles. A commentary in Abodah Zarah (I, 2, fol. 7b) laments: "Since we are in captivity, we cannot live without trading with them, and we depend upon them for our food, and we must fear them. . . ." (Pranaitis, p. 65) For this reason, Jews were encouraged to practice philanthropy, even toward Gentiles. "Needy Gentiles may be helped as well as needy Jews," for the sake of peace. [5] Yet such expedients are to be employed only when there is no alternative. "Therefore," the Talmud says, If you enter a town and find them celebrating a feast, you may pretend to rejoice with them in order to hide your hatred. Those, however, who care about the salvation of their souls, should keep away from such celebrations.

You should make it known that it is a hateful thing to rejoice with them, if you can do it without incurring their enmity. [6] Also: No one is allowed to praise them or say how good an Akum is. How much less to praise what they do or to recount anything about them which would redound to their glory. If, however, while praising them you intend to give glory to God, namely, because he has created comely creatures, then it is allowed to do so. [7] Gentiles: Keep Out Separatism between Jew and the corrupting Canaanites had a divinely sanctioned purpose in the time of Joshua. But the Pharisees nourished and intensified racism long after its usefulness was done. Gentiles were forbidden from becoming acquainted with the Jewish religion-an instruction never given by God. The Pharisees considered a Gentile so far beneath a Jew that hospitality or religious instruction were forbidden to him. In Sanh. 104a, "Hezekiah b. Hiyya deduces from II Kings XX.18 that he who shows hospitality to a heathen brings the penalty of exile upon his children." The Jewish Encyclopedia article on "Gentiles" (p. 621) heartily agrees: The Talmud comments on the untruthfulness of Gentiles (a band of strange children whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right [in raising it to take an oath] is a right hand of falsehood) and contrasts it with the reputation of a Jew: The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth. (Zeph. iii. 13) [8] Such holiness may be facilitated by following this suggestion from the Talmud as related by the Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 617, "Judah ben Illai recommends the daily recital of the benediction 'Blessed be thou who hast not made me a goy.'" Why Have Jews Been So Persecuted? What if these passages from the Talmud weren't written in the Talmud by authority of the Pharisees but in the New Testament by authority of Jesus? If they were, Jesus' followers would have become the most despised and mistrusted of men. Christians (if any survived) would have faced discrimination and even banishment from civilized society. People today would laugh at any Christian reply that their sufferings were caused by bigoted nations. Yet history books in our educational system describe the long saga of Jewish suffering as primarily caused by Christian "anti-semitic" bigotry against "innocent" Jews. Why have the Jews been exiled from 60 countries since they began to follow the leadership of the Pharisees nearly two millennia ago? It's because of something toxic within the religion of the Pharisees. Jesus put it most directly: Rabbinic Judaism is the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev 3:9)-the church that Satan goes to, the religion he inspired and owns.

(

 

I don't read propaganda from Islamist parrot trash. I read the Scriptures.

 

You do not know what Jesus told anyone, you were not there.

 

OMG - Its sad that you're apparently so closed minded not to realize that the C+ P from rense.com which I;ve posted did not come from an Islamic site.

Chinaman he say "Closed mind same like closed book = block of wood.

Byeeeeee ----------------Go Learn

 

OMG - Its sad that you're apparently so closed minded not to realize that the C+ P from rense.com which I;ve posted did not come from an Islamic site.

Chinaman he say "Closed mind same like closed book = block of wood.

Keap calm and Stick to facts .



Byeeee

 

You don't need an open mind to realize something is propaganda. All that is required is average intelligence. Go learn.

 

He supports Israel so a closed mind is needed on a day to day basis to block out the truth.

 

Supporting democracy and civilization is always opposed by Islamist trash. Go back and hide under your momma's dress.

 

Interesting remark..

You know that Islam protects those who are mad or senile.

Abraham lied to Pharaoh about Sarah being his wife.. So she went into the Harem of the Pharaoh.

 

Yes, he did. That doesn't mean lying is a doctrine of the Christian Church. Poor thing is confused.