Poll- "No Country For Old Men"

By KATIE GLUECK | 5/19/14 5:06 AM EDT

Clear generational divides exist on the hot-button social issues of gay marriage and marijuana legalization, a new POLITICO poll of voters who will decide the most competitive House and Senate races finds.

That split is starkest on the question of same-sex marriage, which is supported by 48 percent of those surveyed overall. But that number skyrockets to 61 percent among people between the ages of 18-34.

Slightly more than half of those between ages 35 and 49 support gay marriage; the figure drops to 48 percent among those aged 50-64 and tapers off to 35 percent among those 65 and older. Overall, 52 percent of those surveyed oppose gay marriage.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...ling-elections-2014-106802.html#ixzz32AN9aPBo

Now of course the DESPERATE hope of those antipathetic to gay rights is....that those young people will magically become more bigoted as they get older.

Well....keep hope alive. Cuz ...it ain't happening. Gallup polling showed that the trend over the past 20 years, has been the to ever increasing support for gay rights as the younger demographic moves into the middle aged demographic....IOW, young people supported gay rights in the early 90s, while middle aged people opposed them strongly....

by today, the number of middle aged people strongly opposed has dropped. Why?....they're those same young people from back in the 90s....now middle aged.

 

so you found the proof of gay gene existence?


again, just because I don't agree with your political OPINION that gay is not a choice, does not make me bigotted....

 

Totally off topic.

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We are seeing it more and more with the young people, but even with middle aged.

Within a few years favoring discrimination against homosexuals will be seen to be just like favoring discrimination against African Americans or Jews.

 

No, I've found proof.....you're losing.......again. 20 years from now, the number of homophobes will be even fewer than racists in this country.

 

Anti-Semitism is a good analogy.....sort of cuts the "It's chosen, not genetic" argument out from under guys like Javis. After all, you can CHOOSE ...to not be Jewish, can't you?

But both are accurate. Even the GOP which has made its bones on using bigotry to rally folks to vote for its corporatist agenda....will abandon the Homophobes. To put it bluntly..."no money in it".

 

So what? Some people support gay marriage even though the believe homosexuality is immoral. So please stop with the smoke and mirrors. No one is buying it.

 

And some people oppose gay marriage because they are just bigots who can't stand homosexuals.

So please stop with the smoke and mirrors. No one is buying it.

 

Being "Jewish" can mean two different things. You can choose not to follow the Jewish religion, you cannot choose to not be ethnically Jewish. Seems like downing people for choosing the Jewish religion is as legitimate as downing them for choosing Islam. After all, that's where those nasty, homophobic Old Testament laws that you love to hate come from. I guess that makes you anti-semitic, huh?

 

There's no smoke and mirrors anywhere, that phrase is used when someone is trying to deceive you. The person to whom you're responding in this thread has made no assertions about whether or not being gay is a choice or not, at least in the confines of this thread. What he is stating is that your side is clearly losing. And that is a fact.

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People sure do love ludicrous leaps of "logic" on these boards, don't they?

 

Its the only way they can type a response that, in their mind, makes sense.....

 

I have genetic proof that people age and die, Javis. And polls that show how bad that reality is for homophobes.


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61% of young REPUBLICANS support marriage equality.

And the Homophobes hope those people will grow older and start to hate gays?!?!?!?

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doom, they're free to believe what they like....they just can't use the Government to crush people's rights.

BTW, that's why the Right looks hypocritical on this issue.

 

fifth, I'm sure the neo-Nazi makes no distinctions in the Ashkenazi Jew and the converted Jew. Just like the Homophobe would still hate the gay whether they believed it was "chosen" or genetic.

 

True that. It was a completely ridiculous leap of logic to compare anti-semitism to rejecting homosexuality, based in the flimsy premise that one can choose either. Not only did I point out that ethnic Jewishness cannot be chosen, but I also showed how "homophobia" has deep roots in Jewish law, so when you tell someone they have to accept homosexuality, you ARE telling them that they can't choose Judaism.

 

And I pointed out that a neo-Nazi would treat a "converted Jew" the same as an ethnic Jew....and you know that's true.

So your "genetic or chosen" argument falls apart. If "chosen"?...the bigot hates them. If "genetic"?....the bigot still hates them.

 

Moving the goal posts? It doesn't make a flying flip what neo-nazis think, because that was not what you said and what I responded to. You said being anti-gay was like being anti-semitic because you attempt to force someone to not choose it. I simply point out that when you said:

...then if you force someone to accept homosexuality, you are saying, "hey, you need to CHOOSE to not be Jewish." Because Jewish law says do not accept homosexuality. It is hence actually the gay agenda that is anti-semitic. Whereas you tried to make an analogy between anti-gay and anti-semitic people, I showed that people who say "you have to accept homos" actually ARE anti-semitic, which trumps an analogy.

 

Yes...and a person can CHOOSE to be a Christian not a Jew, convert from Judaism to Christianity?

But my other point was even if the Homophobes try the "it's chosen, not genetic" argument....the same bigotry would apply as would apply with the Neo-Nazi and the "ethnic Jew" (genetic) and the "converted Jew" (chosen).....he would hate both.

And also just like anti-Semitism is anathema now....homophobia will be anathema in decades to come.

Isolated ...like the neo-Nazi today.....to a tiny fringe.

BTW, Mosaic Law also says that it's a sin to wear a poly-cotton blend....but it's okay to sell your daughter into slavery.

 

Ah, but what about anti-semites such as yourself? Do you also hate ethnic Jews, or only those that choose to follow Judaism?

So you think anti-semitism will make a comeback?

There you go with that anti-semitism again. It wasn't even relevant to the argument, but you just can't help making a jab at the Jews.

 

This... is the largest pile of (*)(*)(*)(*) I've ever seen in a post on this board.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. Not many people that I know that are gay do. Whether or not you think we should get married, it doesn't matter. We will, and we have. And your side is losing. Here's a little secret: no one in the gay community cares about is anyone's religion, we don't even care what anyone's big book of fairy tales says about us. We care when you try to legislate that big book of fairy tales.

 

And how, LOGICALLY, is what I said a "pile of (*)(*)(*)(*)"? Other than you not liking it?

 

The content of my post pretty much defines what was so full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Yes, I know the content of your post was full of (*)(*)(*)(*), but how does it refute anything I said?

 

Fifth, to be clear.....let's play the Honesty Game.

1. If homosexuality was shown to be "chosen, not genetic"....would you oppose the right of marriage for homosexual couples? Yes or No?

2. If homosexual was shown to be "genetic, not chosen"....would you oppose the right of marriage for homosexual couples? Yes or No?



If you answer "Yes" to both....then you can never raise the "it's chosen" argument again, since obviously, that is a false and dishonest argument on your part, as in EITHER case...you'd oppose marriage rights for gays.

 

Your lack of reading comprehension isn't my problem.

 

Hah! Way to drop that whole anti-semitism thing when it blew up in your face. Oh, let's not talk about that any longer, let's play a different game...

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Just like I thought, you've got nothing.

 

Hilariously, you're the one who didn't respond to anything I said. We don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) who you worship. Don't legislate it. Why do you care who we fall in love with? Is your side's collective lives so small and limited, are your sides' marriages so weak that my partner and I getting married will really ruin it? The funny thing is, the only reason I ever think about the Bible or Quran or Torah is when people try to yell about them to me. What is the reason that your side thinks about us so much?

See, we didn't make any laws banning the Bible. Your side is the one that made laws banning us from something that we do in the privacy of our own homes. Are you afraid you'll like it? Is your life that small? I always wonder.

But I'm a happy man. 19 states have marriage equality. 31 more to go, and there's no stopping it. Pissing and moaning about it isn't going to change it, and you're going to look like a relic before you know it. And your children and grandchildren will look at your thoughts and beliefs as exactly what they are, a holdover from a different time that needs to die and be scattered in the wind.