No Drug Tests For Food Stamp Recipients, Feds Tell Georgia

Recipients of any benefits of social programs; such as, Medicaid, food stamps, rent subsidies, subsidies for education should be subject to random drug tests just as are those working for the Government/Private businesses. Monetary benefits are considered as income just as earnings from performing a job are.

If the recipient isn't using drugs illegally they have nothing to worry about. If they are; most likely they are using the benefits to help pay for their drug habit. If it is found they are using benefits for drugs, they should then be referred to a drug treatment program.

 

No, there are not.

That's Alex Hamilton, God-Queen of today's fasist Rodents.

Madison, the so-called "Father of the Constitution" says...

Note that "7. General Welfare" wasn't one of the six.

Nope, the Fourth part doesn't mention supporting parasites, either.

There is no place in the Constitution that allows "welfare" as the fascists pretend it does.

Where's your documentary evidence that says such a power exists, Das Kapital?

 

Nobody claimed you were appealing.

You're just wrong.

Speaking of the ignorance of someone regarding the Constitution, where's your documented rebuttal?

 

How does throwing two thousand million dollars a year at Pakistan create jobs in the US?

How does pouring money down Detroit create more jobs than would be created by allowing the people who earned the money, who deserve the money, and who are supposed to be protected by the Constitution from a tyrannical out of control monster government, to spend their own money for themselves?

Don't bother to answer because the correct answer is that letting people keep their own money is the best economic growth policy in the world.

 

And You people do not know what you are talking about, as usual. Please show where I have EVER posted anything that says the Citizens of the USA do not and should not have the right to bear arms? I will wait for one of your personalities to prove it.
Yes I am sure everyone or most of those drawing Welfare benefits are Parasites and Leaches, Not. Not everything has to be covered under the Constitution, they simply have to be Constitutional, WEelfare and other social programs are in place because they were and are still needed. Do they need some reforms applied, sure but you view point on who is actually getting those benefits only shows your ignorance on the topic, meaning you are not the person to suggest what reforms should be applied. You really should do more homework before posting statements to others without having any facts, it does not work out well for any of you.

 

Except, there is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws.

Here it is in a concise, nutshell for every Person to read and understand:

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Here it is right here:

The underlined part is the part that declares the general powers.

 

Drug test Congress and the president first.

 

gop members of the congress and not the president, he's against drug testing

 

So what if he's against it? Until he signs a law passed by Congress that holds them to the same standards as the people; he can pee in the cup like the rest of us. Just make them all decide which they prefer, to pee in a cup like the rest of us; or ban drug testing for all of us.

 

no, it's all the gop

 

What does that mean? If it weren't for the GOP, no one would have to drug test? Are you saying only GOP members of Congress use drugs?

 

i'm saying it's their illegal idea

 

Only a moron would believe the dependence on social programs is "good" for anything.

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LMAO.

You can't be serious.

What percentage of food stamp recipients do you think smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or use illegal drugs?

Seriously. What percentage?

 

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Is there something you don't understand about that word?

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Look at all of the liberals jump into this thread and DEFEND reliance and dependence on public assistance without a care in the world if the person receiving such benefits is a drug user.

How many of you are drug users on the public dole?

Quite a few I presume.

 

you don't know what you're talking about

 

Smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol is not relevant since that's not what these drug tests are looking for. What percentage of food stamps recipients are dependent on illegal drugs? Around 2 percent.

 

We're talking about welfare here. I have no idea what that has to do with Pakistan or Detroit.

Letting people keep the money they earn is good for individual freedom. Not good for economics. We don't want people to keep what they earn. We want it to be spent and be put in more people's hands. In the end that earns us all more money.

 

Source please

I am interested what the basis of your 2 percent claim is considering that nobody does drug testing to verify.

 

Florida did drug testing for awhile. That was their percentage of positive results.

 

Here is what needs to be done.

Make it so food stamps or food subsidies, are done in packages at the grocery stores themselves.

You get a choice of three different packages that cover the allotment per person per week. So many packages of dry food (beans, noodles, rice), a selection of raw veggies, some proteins (chicken, hamburger meat, maybe a roast, etc... [no lobster or steak]), milk, bread, cheese, juice, etc... That is it, no sodas, no candy bars, no chips, no prepared foods in the deli, etc...

Then if you are so confident that they should provide urine (which has proven time and time again to be a total waste of time, and this push for such a program is simply corporate welfare for the pharmaceutical companies, yes that is right you are being played by corporate sock puppets, trading one useless welfare program for another) stop giving full welfare benefits to able bodied individuals, and start work programs, where they work so many hours a week at minimum wage, for the money they are getting for free now, and also make it part of the program that they have to fill out so many applications when they are not working, and actively be looking for gainful employment within the private sector, to get off the GDP, government dependency program

Then if you have to give them a (*)(*)(*)(*) test it will be for employment reasons, and if they fail they lose any chance of getting help. They can go home and be a burden on somebody else until they are clean, and ready to work again (even though most of them will be using even when they pass the test).

The food stamp program is a joke, the interest should be in getting these people back to working on their own and taking care of themselves. Unfortunately that idea doesn't play into the two party scams scheme of things, and counter productive to keeping a large part of the population dependent and noncompetitive.

Stop being a bunch of sheeple puppets bickering over which is the lesser of two evils, and fix the damn problems we have in this country. In fact if you are actually interested in solving problems you can start by first looking around you, stop listening to the corporate owned media, and getting a clue about what is actually going on around you. Then after you do that stop electing professional corporate owned sock puppet politicians that make up the leadership of the two party scam.

 

You actually believe most people getting food stamps are not working, You are Very confused. Many of those getting food stamps are the working poor and the retired, oh and that includes members of the Military and small children. Compassion is really not a Conservative ideal is it, if you want them to make more money or get jobs why not train them, oh wait that would cost you 10 cents a month, so Not with your money, eh. So if you want teach someone to fish and feed them while they learn that is fine but if your answer is to simple tell someone that cannot fish to just go fish then you have no rational solutions and should keep your ideas to yourself. You know where you can stick your suggestion, the same place you guys tell the First Lady when she wants people to eat healthy.

 

Yes not how many were using drugs before they started testing. Seems to me the program must be working pretty well. Again the goal is not to "catch" them but to prevent the usage in the first place or prevent those who insist on continuing to use them to not apply at all.

"Prevalence rates for substance use problems among TANF recipients vary widely depending on study methodology and on how problem use is defined. Most recent studies cite survey data that relies exclusively on administrative data or self-reports of substance use (Jayakody et al. 2000), both of which are likely to underestimate the true prevalence of substance use disorders (Metsch and Pollack 2005). Data from the 1998 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (NHSDA) indicate that in the previous year 7.5 percent of TANF recipients were alcohol dependent and 4.5 percent were dependent on illicit drugs (Pollack et al. 2002). According to other studies using self-report data, 6 to 10 percent of TANF recipients were dependent on either alcohol or other drugs (Jayakody et al. 2000; Schmidt et al. 1998; Chandler and Meisel 2000; Grant and Dawson 1996). It is more difficult to determine the prevalence of problem users who are not dependent. Overall prevalence data obtained from numerous waves of the NHSDA and the more recent National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) suggest that illicit substance use was about twice as common among female welfare recipients as among other women with dependent children who did not receive public assistance (Jayakody et al. 2000; Pollack et al. 2002). Data from the 2002 NSDUH show that about 22 percent of female welfare recipients used illicit drugs at least once in the year before the survey (Pollack et al. 2002).

 

I think most people who are using foodstamps are children and the elderly, who don't or can't work, and yes I know military personnel with children are also eligible for the program because even the government is notorious for paying workers (*)(*)(*)(*) wages while giving management/executives way more than they deserve or are actually worth just like the private sector.

I also think somebody who is working 40 hours a week shouldn't be rolling in the dough, or on the road to easy street, but they sure as hell shouldn't be eligible for foodstamps either. Ufortunately the best government corporate money can buy has seen to it that the top dogs rule in this country in every industry, with cronyism capitalism, over taxing, and over regulating that directly contributes to the inability to start a business or compete even if you are able to get one started. It is an effort that started several decades ago and is finally damaging the ability of the citizens to stay self-reliable, and stable. Different problems all together. Largely due to the promotion and support of the two corporate owned political parties.

So you think somebody who should be working and is fully capable of doing so, but is sitting on their ass in their mom and dads basement shouldn't be at least working a few hours a week to cover the cost of their $26 in foodstamps? Many of these types, which is the only one's I am addressing, getting them off their ass would be teaching them something. That they can walk without that couch for starters. And if they come in regularly and get used to doing things for themselves they will be taught motivation skills, work ethics, and who knows, maybe even given some incentive to get a better job and maybe break away from the leech mentality by not having to be a mooch on the taxpayer and/or mom and dad at 20-30 something.

How would you know if I had a rational solution or not you are too busy telling me what I think, and misinterpreting what I said, to accept problem solving ideas. I also have no problem with the schools having well balanced meals (which shouldn't require a government mandate to see that it is done) and encouraging their students to eat good and teach them what a nutritional well balanced meal can do for their health, etc... and I think I expressed my feeling very adequately about the (*)(*)(*)(*) test mentality.

So it would seem you are just another blowhard noise maker distracting the best you can to keep things as (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up as possible, and just another part of the problem.

 

First off no one living with in mom and dads basement should be drawing food stamps, and I doubt there are many. I have an issue with forcing people to work if they are drawing assistance because it can and would lead to a slave scenerio with the poor becoming slaves the the wealthy business owners, and the issue that most people drawing it already have a job.
The rational solution is one I have suggested several times sometimes it gets real discussion and sometimes it only draws lot of excuses.
Find out why someone is drawing assistance, any assistance, if they are retired then that is that, they continue to draw it. If they are simply stuck in low paying jobs because they do not have skills that would get them a living wage then offer training into a filed that they could make a living wage (I suggested them paying it back over time, but have been talked out of it for several reasons), once trained help them find a job and there ya go they are off the rolls and probably so are their kids and their kids after them the cycle is broken. Some are getting it simply because the job market in their area is (*)(*)(*)(*) poor and for one reason or another they cannot move to where there are better jobs available, for them they continue to draw for a set time then get re-evaluated. For single moms, and there are many,.to put several preschool children in daycare actually may cost more than she would be making, provide vouchers that pays part of the daycare for the children until they get into school. For those that do not want to train, do not want to work and have no excuses, throw them off and they stay off for a minimum of Five years or even forever, assiatance is not a right it is a perk for living in a wealthy Nation, abuse it and off you go. There can be other reforms but the idea is th break the cycle of dependence on the system and in the long run it would pay for itself many times over.
So there is an idea, beats soup kitchens as a solution and that is all I have to say to you on the topic.
Have a Nice Weekend.

 

If congress and the president agreed to be tested, would it then be OK to require folks asking for welfare to pass a drug test?




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