Rand Paul Tackles Prisons 'Full Of Black And Brown Kids'

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  1. AKR

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    Not many options when there aren't very many good jobs in poor neighborhoods.

    Jesus didn't say anything about drug use. Also, you missed the part about drug use being no lower with white kids, but that they are less likely to go to prison or stay there because of it.
     
  2. Brewskier

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    Drugs cost money. Shouldn't the lack of jobs cause a lack of money, which would decrease drug usage?

    Why is Eric Holder's justice department so racist?

    Or could it be there are other factors that get taken into account when it comes to sentencing criminals?

    Nah, just racism.

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    It will fail because minorities are not interested in politics that do not involve wealth redistribution. 75% of Hispanics favor a bigger Government to a smaller one. About what percentage of Hispanics vote for Democrats? Usually around 70-75%. It makes sense.
     
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    Odd all those white people who still take their Social Security and Medicare, huh, Brew?
     
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    Sorry for the inconvenience, but if you could point out a 'true Christian' to me, I'd be in your debt. Seems like 'true Christians' are leading the warfare against everything from hemp to Muslims to women these days.
     
  5. AKR

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    Drugs cost money, which is why people sell them. Did you forget you were talking about selling drugs?

    No, you're right. Clearly, black people are just worse, and THAT'S why more of them are in jail for the same crime. What factors would these be? Let's see them.

    While I'm waiting:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ned-than-white-defendants-for-the-same-crime/

    Here's the study:
    https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/2170-new-study-by-professor-david-s-abrams-confirms
     
  6. Brewskier

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    The people who paid into the system their whole working life? Not really. I understand their complaints about having illegal freeloaders dropping babies for citizenship and tapping into the same system that they never paid for a day in their lives.
     
  7. Gorn Captain

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    You said Hispanics want bigger government. Okay, so let's see the "smaller government" whites start cutting their own benefits.
     
  8. Brewskier

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    Is that kind of like how progressives want higher taxes, and can voluntarily choose to pay more in taxes any time they want to, but don't for some reason?

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    The post you responded to said "using or selling drugs".

    Prior convictions, gang associations, likelihood of recidivism, education level, employment, etc. I realize some of these are uncomfortable to discuss and make white progressives feel "icky". Much more politically advantageous for the left to blame "the white man" and "the system" for the failures of the black community. Though, I find it funny that this left-wing meme is still being thrown out even with Eric Holder in charge.

    Two left wing hack sources, what a surprise.

    Crack carries harsher penalties than cocaine, and this was by design. Black members of congress in 1986 were largely responsible for this decision because they wanted to combat the problems being caused by crack in the black community. At the time none of them complained about this policy being "racist".

    The Justice Department disagrees. According to its own internal surveys and studies, blacks were not prosecuted at higher rates than whites for the same crimes.

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fdluc94.pdf
     
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    Just like those who want war on the Right can be the ONLY ones who go fight it??? Sounds fair.


    BTW, Brew, I guess we'll be able to keep the money YOU have paid into Social Security and Medicare....since you'll be moving to Europe "soon", right?

    Wait a minute...when you get to Europe, you won't take any of the old-age pensions or benefits that European governments offer, will you? Since you didn't pay into them for years.....uh.....right?
    :)
     
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    Bad analogy. Progressives who want higher taxes yet pay as little taxes as possible would be a better analogy for those who want less benefits yet refuse to give up their own. But still, there are problems with that analogy. People who worked 40 years and paid into social security and medicare that entire time should be able to collect what they've been promised. I don't think they were ever seriously talking about taking away benefits for those people. The plan that Republicans worked on was a reform, where people who are my age and younger, who aren't your age and haven't paid in as long, should have an option to opt out of the current system, since it won't be available anything, thanks to the boomer generation's poor planning.

    Who says I wouldn't pay into them for years? You? You keep forgetting Gorn we're not all as close to circling the drain. Plenty of time left to work.
     
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    More evidence that welfare makes obama voters lazy and creates a lack of initiative.

    Illegal aliens travel thousands of miles and find jobs but Americans on the dole won't walk across the street.
     
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    Oh brother mac. Im REALLY tired of yall labeling everyone you dislike as lazy.
     
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    When libs complain that good jobs are not coming to the ghetto to find welfare recipients it puts the worst possible label on them.

    "Lazy" is the best thing you can say about them.
     
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    Except not everyone who uses drugs does those things, and a drug is only "dangerous" when it's prepared or administered improperly, which is more likely to be the case under prohibition.

    That's not any kind of medical term I've heard before. I think you've been watching too much Hollywood movies or something.
     
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    And how is that working out for you? Millions of people still use illegal drugs every day, and the international drug cartels are richer and more brutal than ever. Your silly war on drugs has failed miserably to achieve any measurable success while simultaneously wasting upwards of one trillion dollars total, not to mention the millions of lives it destroys through incarceration. You are partly responsible for that insanity. You should be ashamed to call yourself a "conservative" when federal drug laws didn't even exist in America until the early 1900's. At least the temperance movement had the decency to AMEND the Constitution, because even they knew that federal drug prohibition was not an enumerated power anywhere in the constitution. Where are the constitutional amendments for federal drug prohibition of marijuana or anything else for that matter? Some originalist you are!
     
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    Not everyone who drinks and drives kills someone in a car wreck either.
     
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    Yea, just like healthcare and gun control.
     
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    Did you ever wonder why some drugs are not legal anymore?

    We are too young to have lived through it but the drugs were were wrecking society.
     
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    That's true, not everyone does, so what is your point? Do you pass laws to make yourself feel better or to actually address reality and maximize justice?
     
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    I did wonder that, and then I did some research, and the answer is that a bunch of ignorant, racist central planners and political insiders wanted to line their pockets with tax money, so they used drugs and minorities as a scapegoat.

    Why do you automatically assume that drug use is the cause of a problem as opposed to a symptom of a problem?
     
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    I'd be in favor of lighter sentences for recreational hard drug users. I wouldn't be in favor of legalizing any and all hard drugs across the board - I'd legalize them on a case-by-case basis, based on whether or not the drug is shown to be addictive or mind-altering enough to invoke violence in the users.
     
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    What if pot only makes you stupid?

    If more children do drugs and America falls from 25th in the world in math and science to 35 or 50 can we just write that generation off as a big unintended Oops?
     
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    Pain killers are addictive do you want to ban those as well?
     
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    If you're worried about science then Christian private schools' should stop teaching 'young earth creationism', because that'd go a lot further - lol
     
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    Having absolute faith in dumb luck as the origin of the world we live in is not necessary to learning math or science.

    Even biology.

    But not blowing your brains out with drugs does promote learning.
     

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