Germany vs Argentina, FIFA World Cup Final. Putin and Merkel

The 2014 FIFA World Cup Final is about to begin on Sunday. Tommorow, Brazil squares off against the Netherlands for 3rd place. It'll be interesting whether the Brazilians have fight in them, after the mauling they got against Germany. If they can't recover, the Netherlands may blow them out, equal to what Germany did or slightly less. I rooted for Germany, as the Netherlands and Germany were my two teams to begin with. Even I was shocked by Germany's blowout. I think everyone was. I expected it to be hard fought, and that Germany was slated to lose it given Brazil hadn't lost a home game in 20-30 years. In the beginning, Brazil dominated with their passion, but like one Brazillian ex-footballer said, they were playing like "they already won". To say, to confidently. The Germans got the ball back, and scored earlier. No big deal, it was early, but Germany scored again. Now they were in serious trouble. They let it go to their head, and Germany scored goal after goal, the Brazillians losing fight on a steep slope more and more into the game, ending in a 7-1 defeat eventually. As good as they were, one German footballer said they weren't at their best. They still have to field a team that will probably be booed mercilessly.

German fans were told to stay in the stadium until the Brazilans left. They were than escorted away, were they partied into the morning. Brazilians were let out of work to watch the game earlier by their government, only for much of the country to see this horrible loss, their worse home game defeat and joint worst defeat ever. Fans were crying, the team crying, everyone was shocked. It's said it may actually hurt the Brazillian economy.

The final's coming up. Argentina vs Germany. Messi and Muller are ying and yang on opposite teams, though Messi's rated higher. It'll be interesting to see if they score. Germany has a better offence, by a moderate margin, though Argentina has a better defence by a slight difference. As long as Germany doesen't play like they already won, that is to say too confidently, they have a good shot. If it goes to their egos what happened to Brazil, they may end up like Brazil. For Argentina to win, Messi must shine. Both sides will fight fanatically I'm sure, like Brazil and Germany were in the opening stages of the semi-final.

The Brazilian president planned to have a major economic meeting at the final with many leaders. She was too confident in her country, and now she must nicely tell them about Brazil's humilating defeat a few days prior, or at the least, it'll be a a white elephant in the room. She'll be upset. I think she wanted Brazil to be at the world cup final while she had the meeting, to kind of show off Brazil's capabilities. Also, the spending in the billions on the tournament caused Brazilian tax payers to protests and created much anger, which is likely to mount as it started to recede after Brazil was doing well.

Putin, who's visiting Latin America is expected to be at the final. He's in the area, so he might as well make it. No doubt Brazil's loss has allowed a lot of surplus tickets to be bought at the last moment. Angela Merkel's supposed to make it as well. The spokesman for the Kremlin says the two will likely talk on the sidelines as well. Most likely the word Ukraine will make it into the converation. The semi final was the most watched event in German history, over 70% of the TV viewers tunning in in Germany. The final will top this in Germany. The final's supposed to be the most watched event in human history, with over 1 billion expected to tune in globally.

Who do you think will win? Germany or Argentina? I say Germany.

 

I picked germany as favorite long ago, the scoreline vs brazil was a one off result, germany isnt that good or brazil that bad...once the score line was 2-0 the game was over and the brazilians knew it, after that it was a mental collapse, 3 sealed the deal...argentina is a one trick pony, shut messi down as the dutch did and they've got nothing...I expect argentina to play for a draw and penalty kicks like they did vs the dutch....if they can score argentina may park the bus and try hang on, if not PKs...but I expect germany to win this before PKs...

3rd place match, dutch have zero interest in playing this and effort will be minimal if any, brazil will try to salvage some honor and win ...

 

I despise Argentina because Messi is a horribly overrated player. I don't care who wins as long as it isn't them.

 

This may sound very political or idealogically excessive, but I almost didn't go for Germany because Angela Merkel supported the Iraq War. However, upon reading more about her, her policies have changed, and she no longer encourages over-throwing non-dangerous dictators like Saddam Hussien.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/global/an-evolving-merkel-doctrine.html

Messi's alright, he's on the list for top like six or seven scorers.

 

Both teams have high scorers, most notably Messi for Argentina and Muller for Germany. Messi's in the top five for scorers, and Muller is ethier 2cd or 3rd. Germany has more goals in this cup than Argentina, with their great strikers- but they've let more goals in. I expect this to be low scoring, and will be won in OT or on penalties. Argentina must know, for their own good, to allow their great defence to play extra defencively or they will be blown out by Germany's offence, while throwing in Messi to try in get goals.

For Argentina, I would have a 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-1-2 formation.

I say go Germany. I took a what country or you quiz online which asked me almost 100 questions, and I got a tie with Germany and Argentina. Than I got a tie breaker question, and it said I was Germany! I'm German too. My dad's side of the family, and actually there's a village named after my great great grandfather in Pennslavania, a German setteler. I almost changed to Argentina as Angela Merkel supported the Iraq War, but her policy and doctrine is evolving and she's more pacifist now.

The 3rd place match- Brazil will be fighting for honour, but I think the stil be hurt by the loss and fans won't help them. The Dutch will have little fight like you said, the Dutch coach has said the game needs to be elimanated as it's pointless and one team comes home losing two games in a row, and one team gets one more day rest. However, it's likely to be Robben and Sniders last run, so they may have some fun with it.

 

I don't really have anything against him, he's a good player - but so many commentators just start and end with "Lionel Messi, the greatest football player in the world". The cliche gets tiring after a while.

 

The referee, Rizzoli, is Italian.

This should generate some concerns in Germans, it's known that among Italians and Argentinians there is a certain feeling.

But he is not from South Italy [so I don't expect him to make to Germans an offer they will not be able to refuse].

A bit of humor a part, this time I'm with my German roots ... and I stay with Germany.

And to be technical, Germany [regardless the low value of Brazil] has showed to be organized and quick, with a very ruled move of the ranks, while Argentina has showed to suffer organized tactics [Netherlands, without playing like Netherlands knowns, has put Argentina in difficulty].

 

Italians and Germans dislike each other right? That's what you mean when you say they have a certain feeling?

One of my friends is German, and he hates Italians. For me, it's mixed....

One of my worst enemies was Italian, he was also a good friend, one of my best. Now he likes me but hes not friendly. I hated his dad and family.... I had a girlfriend kindof who was a model, gorgeous girl, and she was Italian. One of my best friends is Italian. My foster families parents came over from Italy 40's-50's, some of them were injured through land mines in WWII. I have problems with the family, still kind of do, ahhh, it's mixed. I like them but, they hurt my feelings. I hurt theirs too to be fair.

My dad's side of the family is German, straight Germanic stock. My great great grandfather has a villa named after him called Claussvillle in America, he came over. I love Germany!

It seems the Italians and Germans don't get along, is that the case?

Your Italian

 

Actually, the winner of the World Cup will be....NORTH KOREA.

"Despite not qualifying for 2014 World Cup, North Korea has reached the final, according to state media.

Make sense?

While the rest of the world is sitting tight in anticipation of Sunday's Germany-Argentina tilt here in Rio, North Koreans have reportedly been told their country's soccer team has been dominant at this summer's event."
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/12/north-korea-made-it-out-of-the-group-stage-wait-what

 

North Korea lies a lot, especially when it comes to their education system. An example is they're taught North Korea was invaded by South Korea and the US in a coalition, when in reality the start of the Korean War was caused by North Korea.

 

He's a great player is he the best, that's subjective...I didn't think he was as dominant as media hype made him out to be.....that could change tomorrow...

 

It's not subjective, someone who say has scored the most goals in world cup history and has had the most assists, it's not subjective to say he's the best or not. Sometimes people's opinions are biased, yeah, but there is a such thing as the best player in the world.

He's not the best, James Rodriguez, Muller, and Klose are also right up there, but he is one of the best.

 

All governments lie. I was taught that President Lincoln freed the slaves in the U.S. when the truth is he never freed a single slave in the U.S. Much of our government's lies are by omission. When I learned Germany invaded Poland in 1939, I think, the teacher failed to mention that the USSR joined Germany in invading Poland. The left was already in power by the early 1950s.

And I understand the President threw a hissy fit when he heard about North Korea winning in soccer. He demanded to know why he couldn't do that. He can, actually, but only with NPR and MSNBC.

 

Many people want to sound smart of feel smart correcting people when they say the Civil War wasn't over slavery. It wasn't entirely, but it was very big factor, besides unity. He did free them with emancaption proclamation act.

 

The prayer throwdown at the Vatican could get very, very ugly.

 

Explain, I don't get it. People praying for different teams?

 

BTW, with the Poland thing, Germany invaded first, and half way through the USSR joined them. Germany got the majority of the area. I don't know if it was intentially left out, or if because they played a small part they failed to mention it. The left was not in power in the 50's, the mccarthy era of anti-communism hysteria was going on

 

I bet you got a A in class. But, sadly, it isn't true. It's not too late, though. Read the Emancipation Proclamation. Pay particular attention to the part that says, ""That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free;...."
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/transcript.html

Did you get that? He was freeing the slaves in the rebelling states over which he had no control. The slaves in northern states didn't get freed. In fact, the last slave in the White House belonged to the family of President U.S. Grant. The record would indicate that President Lincoln had no more interest in blacks than do modern day liberals.

If you want to feel smart and correct my comment on history, do your homework. And, you're right. The war wasn't over slavery.

 

I guess you missed President Franklin D. Roosevelt's reign in history class, too. He was a great admirer of the USSR. He was a leftists and left his mark on the government all through the fifties. The hysteria you refer to was the defense of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, the innocent couple accused of being Soviet spies who were, unfortunately, revealed in documents of the USSR to be, in fact...Soviet spies.

Most Americans also aren't aware that not only was the Soviet Union a German ally but so was France. That's why the British sank the French fleet and why the French are still demanding reparations. That's why when American troops landed in North Africa the beaches were being defended against them by the French allies of Germany.

 

When Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 election on a ticket of no new slave states, the South finally broke away to form the Confederacy. This marked the start of the Civil War, which caused a huge disruption of Southern life, with many slaves either escaping or being liberated by the Union armies. The war effectively ended slavery, before the Thirteenth Amendment (December 1865) formally outlawed the institution throughout the United States.

The Northern states had all abolished slavery or did before or about the time of the end of the war. Therefore, it didn't need to apply to northern states as their was none or very few. It is wierd, like how were the slaves supposed to get the memo? Grant never owned slaves, as it was officaly banned with the ratification of the 13th amendment in 1865. Therefore, that's a falsehood. If you want to feel smart and correct my comment on history, do your homework.

There are things though that the US government nicely purpousely doesen't teach, such as the native american issue, forced steralization of retarded people, forced labotamies, encamping German and Jappenese Americans in camps, ahh, a lot of things, like how most will forget that the Soviet Union invaded with the Germans. May have to due with they played a small part, but also probabily because it looks bad like you said.

 

Germania, writing erroneous information does not support your position.

"The Northern states had all abolished slavery or were required to when Lincoln came into power. Therefore, it didn't need to apply to northern states as their was none."

Pure nonsense. Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, and Kentucky were slaves states and they did not abolish slavery before or during the Civil War. President Grants slave came to the White House through his wife family from Kentucky. Not a single slave was freed in those states by the Emancipation Proclamation. Again, you should read it. Although leftists admire the tyrant, President Lincoln did not have the power to free any slaves in the United States. They were freed by the 14th Amendment in the hated U.S. Constitution.

As to slaves in the other Yankee states, they weren't freed either. The Dred Scott Decision said that slaves were slaves even if they were in the north. Some southerners were stranded in the north by the war and had slaves with them. Those slaves remained slaves. Even accounting for a deficient education, didn't you ever ask yourself why the underground railway that spirited slaves out of the South didn't drop them off in, oh, Illinois? The underground railway had to take the escaping slaves all the way to Canada for them to be free.

The liberal penchant for rewriting history is pathetic. And, schools teach what the government wants taught. That is rarely honest history.

Not only was the USSR an ally of Germany but so was Vichy France. That's why the British had to sink the French fleet, why the French are still demanding reparations, and why it was the French defending the beaches in North Africa against American troops.

 

"Pure nonsense. Missouri, Maryland, Delaware, and Kentucky were slaves states and they did not abolish slavery before or during the Civil War."

I noticed this was wrong, and edited it correctly to something like, "before or around the end of the Civil War". Two states, northern, did only so at the signing of the 13th amedment. The vast majority of slaves were southern though

As to you saying Grant owned slaves, he didn't. It's the 13th amedment not the 14th by the way. He did free slaves indirectly, lincoln, they ran away, and once they reached northern states, were free. So, he did free them in a way.

"Not only was the USSR an ally of Germany but so was Vichy France. That's why the British had to sink the French fleet, why the French are still demanding reparations, and why it was the French defending the beaches in North Africa against American troops. "

Yes, I know the Vichy french were Germany's allies. They fought dismally though and usually surrendered very quickly.

 

You have no clue about football, the Brazilians have no desire for third place, as with any South American team, first place or no place.

 

That's true. I just dislike unnecessary hype. Every playoffs an idiot commentator will comment on LeBron being the best the game has ever seen. It happens in every sport unfortunately - the hype machine takes hold then the conventional wisdom becomes that this or that player is the undisputed best ever.

 

40 plus years of playing, another 25 yrs coaching, I've forgotten more about football since I woke up this morning than you'll ever know....watching the game today the brazilians did indeed care about winning that match...