The police need to drop the Ferguson revolutionaries a pallet of body armor.

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    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2014/08/ferguson_protests_erupt_in_vio.html

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    Those evil (*)(*)(*)(*)ing cops... launching smoke grenades at those gentle citizens.
     
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    I said they're stupid because you have no evidence that says they're true, it is your opinion. As far as the anarchy you support, they never have a solution, all anarchists want is disruption and rebellion. All the insane actions are based on emotion. If you actually wanted to do something, use the resources that are available, and make the change. Your comment about history changing things, yes, and what that change should be is to fix the idiocy that happened in the past, and no one will change anything if all they want is destruction and death.
     
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    I'm sorry I'm a little lost on the page. Do I have to go to Charter system?


    Bingo and I will.

    His argument focuses mostly on the idea that "Change will not come until we change it". Okay. Makes sense. If I want something done, I do it. The change is done. So then what sparks the change? According to him, it's a completely different way then it's been done before. He clearly doesn't like the rioting, but he also says this "I'm not going to tell you, we're gonna march, we're not gonna do that."(1:10). Then with his sarcastic singing of "We shall overcome", and the idea that"it's been over 50 years...." is suggesting that the conservative powers haven't been able to overcome. That the civil right leaders haven't been making the strides needed. So in the end he's advocating for a different change. A much more radical one, a revolution. A social revolution, but a revolution nevertheless.

    The problem with his logic is that he's attacking the group that will ultimately be responsible for starting the revolution. Revolutions start when a group of people lose something. This pretty much means when the middle class loses a right of some sort. The good example of revolutions and how they work is with France. In the French Revolution, it was when the 3rd estate got shut out of the Estates General. No more say in how taxation would have gone. So when Mr.Gentry attacks them, he's ultimately saying that they can't do anything, even though they would be the group most likely to start said change.
     
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    To get directly to what you want, that would be. There is plenty of reasoning concerning the formation of a scientific tool for generating and reasoning the charter system in the other areas of the site, but if you want to see the current draft (third generation) you're going to have to do better than asking me if you are in the right place.




    The revolutionaries need to have a constitution to present after they win the war - don't expect the white people to write it for them.

    Can you understand that that is the next step???

    That is what is missing from Gentry's reasoning. Nelson Mandela died knowing that educated black people would rather cry of oppression in America than help him organize a country for black people.
     
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    Because I'm following the basic format for how debates work? I say something, you either rebute or expand on an earlier point. Since my point came first, you couldn't expand on an earlier point. So you had to rebute. You didn't. You just said it was stupid. I don't have to offer proof with the first statement, because that's my thesis statement. It's just supposed to provide an overview for the debate and what we're talking about.

    You don't even know what Anarchism is do you? So I'll throw you a bone, tell me, what does this mean?
    "It is the liberty that is the mother, not the daughter, of order".

    It's almost like Anarchists want that.

    Welcome to the second rule of history, All history repeats, just never the same way twice.
     
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    Then could I see the current draft?





    True. But the question is now "are we in a revolution or not"? At this point here, it's more of a revolt, not an actual revolution.
     
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    Miss Bull Connor?
     
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    Again, all you do is prattle on about debate format. The bottom line kranes, everybody loses when one race expect special treatment, so history tells me it went from white to black special treatment, to black to white special treatment. BTW, give me your version of what you think anarchy is, I am confident it will not be what any dictionary says it is, it will be your flowery version
     
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    Download the zip package and open the html file in your browser.

    You are not a revolution until you describe yourselves as organized to change the government - do you have a plan to reorganize the government? As it is now, it is a disorganized felony conspiracy to obstruct the police mission to keep the emegency routes clear, and felony looting of taxable commerce.
     

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    Alright, give me a bit to read it.

    Right. I agree with you. This isn't a revolution.
     
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    How can we expect to have a debate when you don't even do anything to indicate you want to have a debate?

    Great for you to think that.
    Name one person that has a cookie cutter definition to any political theory. As for what I think? I'm not an Anarchist. I'm a moderate with collective Anarchist leanings.
     
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    It'll take you days, and it is incomplete, but you should be able to follow the description of the government if you are prepared to understand what it is supposed to "look" like as described in the passage at the Charter System link at the web page. take your time, I don't expect an analysis till next month sometime. But if you want we could meet and I can go through it - I need to learn how to make a video of it and explain it, so I would welcome your interest. Other than that, if you do not understand it, I suggest you try reading the state constitutions, because they are all (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.
     
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    Alright, I'll read. But yeah this is going to take me awhile.
     
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    How can we have a debate when all you do is talk about debate. You said earlier that you disagree with Jonathan Gentry, so what is your disagreement? Or do you want to make the next post to be like the last 4 on the rules of debate. You need to step up to the plate kranes, your word games are getting boring
     
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    How can we have a debate when you don't even try to have a debate? How can we debate when you don't even follow because debate etiquette? How can I have a debate with you when you don't even acknowledge my points and you instead insult?

    I don't feel like copying and pasting.

    Should I then say that your insults are as dry as they are pointless? Because otherwise, insult noted.
     
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    Good bye kranes, go waste someone else's time
     
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    Have fun insulting instead of having a meaningful debate. To be honest, out of all the debators I have ever known, you are the one I could predict how the conversation would go. Namely, your insults driving your point. The only way to spot a good debate is how you come out of it. If you learned more going out, then you had a good debate. With you, I have learned nothing. I'm sorry that is the sad truth.
     
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    I'm sure all Schools in all States are funded by property taxes(since State Governments also are funded by them.) Was it "racist" that Philadelphia's school budget was tight. The universal cuts? IMO as a Pennsylvanian, it wasn't racist, it was crappy planning.

    PA Democrats want to create a Gas Extraction tax, this will of course be off-set by raised gas prices! Is it not racist against poor blacks in these areas? If it is, then take note that the Democrats proposed it!

    Weren't the Jim Crow laws thrown out, along with the civil rights enactment? How's that causing Black Poverty in 2014?

    What's better, increasing welfare programs or increasing real market jobs for ALL Americans? Our Welfare program is crammed and expanding more welfare programs will only of course expand usage.

    What part of Stop and Frisk is racist? I, a White American have CP. I stagger when I walk and one day while I was returning home from a political meeting, I was stop and frisked in my own complex.

    Did I fret? No. Did I react? No, I had my College ID, told him my name and went on my merry way. See, whether you're 6'0, 170 and white(me), or 6'4, 280(Michael), if you follow the law, crap won't happen.
     
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    I'm not that familiar with Philadelphia's cuts, but I can speak for the real problem here. Since it's funded through property taxes, it's uneven across the board. So the rich communities have the money, while poorer areas don't. This pretty much means that the poor areas, are going to stay poor, and not be as well funded. It may not be racist, but it certainly doesn't help.

    I doubt it.

    He didn't specify time. So I used that as a good example to set the ball rolling.

    Sure. The question is why, but in the end it's going to be about how it's spending its money. The cuts don't help, neither does the reason for the cuts.

    Because of the fact that it seems to be happening overwhelmingly with minorities? Or really just how the police conduct stops all together really.

    Okay and?
     
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    some of them robbed the shops during the protest, each time a black guy is killed by cops, usually turns out like that...I wonder if it's the chance they hope for...shopping for free...:rock_slayer:
     
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    Look at the pic galleryin my article and you will see.
     
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