More than a dozen witnesses confirm officers account in Brown shooting

They want JUSTICE. No justice, no peace.

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You call the protesters "animals"---did you know that all humans are really animals? Yourself included? That is if you are human.

 

Well stated.

 

What makes the Ferguson PD qualified in the first place? Was it because that one time they attacked an innocent man and then charged him for bleeding on their uniforms?
Ferguson PD is as corrupt as they come.

 

In a community that's 2/3 black, being black IS an essential qualification. The current situation demonstrates that. Now, if no blacks are capable of being trained to be competent police, you'd have a good point. But they are entirely competent elsewhere, so what's the problem here? Whatever it is, it should be addressed.

If you mean exclusively, then no. If you mean AT ALL, then yes.

Clearly, being white was considered an important qualification for employment on the Ferguson police force. Why?

Nobody is suggestoing segregation. We notice that the community is very largely black, and the police force is all white. That's segregation. It blew up. As always.

 

Oh lawdy . So if a community is 99 percent white , we should make sure the police force is 99 white as well ? Fire blacks if too many are on the job ?

 

Obama and Eric "My People" Holder will always give black criminals the benefit of the doubt against a "racist" white cop. It's part of their black nationalist ideology. In Obama's case, you don't spend 2 decades sitting in Reverend Wright's church and not pick up a few of these kinds of perspectives.

It's funny how Obama picks and chooses which issues to get involved in. When he ignores something, his supporters say "he's President, does he have time to get involved?!?!", yet they have no problem when he gets involved in local race-baiting stories like this one and Saint Trayvon.

 

In the word I live in, the police do not report one another, they do not turn on one another, they do not publish accounts contradicting their official position. I'm guessing that in your world, the police favor honesty over teamwork and loyalty.

That's not what I said. I said that the police would not have publicized these statements if they contradicted the official police narrative.

I didn't say that, because I don't know. I agree that going to the media and giving slanted accounts makes the entire investigation more difficult. But consider that Brown''s body was left lying uncovered in the street for FIVE HOURS while the police did nothing. The way to slow down the rumor mill is to determine the facts and get them out FAST.

For all I know, the officer's story is entirely correct. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that what's being reported are not qualified findings, they are simply eyewitness reports that the police saw fit to publish because they agree with the police story.

This is a very good point, and should be emphasized. If the black community thinks voting is a waste of time, they end up with leaders and authorities elected, appointed, and hired by those who DO vote. I think it would be an excellent idea to advertise heavily in Ferguson that "here is what you get when you don't bother to vote", under a picture of the all-white police force, city council, etc.

What I wrote was that when the community is mostly one race and the police are entirely another, and there is a history of friction between races, this is a dangerous condition. Would Brown have shown the same attitude toward a black cop? I don't know. Would a black cop have decided to kill Brown? I don't know. But what has come out is that Brown had no respect for the police at all, and that the police returned the attitude.

Voting would be a good start. We STILL don't have the facts in this case, we instead have competing autopsies, competing eyewitness reports, and lots of rioting. Rioting doesn't happen when the community feels involved and empowered.

Don't ask me.

 

lol, I'd love to see a progressive like Flintc arguing that a police force has too many black cops and they should be fired to make the police force look more like the surrounding white city. Unfortunately, we both know his position would be completely inconsistent.

 

Shocker....

 

It is a unique situation, where the defendent is advised not to speak. The recent accounts of the story from second-hand accounts of the officer's description of the situation are probably in an effort to build his credibility. One of the problems that the defense for Michael Brown is going to encounter is that he does not have any reliable sources of crediility, just like trayvon martin did not have any - not even his teachers were willing to testify that he was a brilliant student who was bullied at school. And we can imagine that this is going to be the same, unless they want to parade the witness stand with a bunch of gangster kids who can't explain themselves fluently.

 

This is nothing but a big media and propaganda circus... AGAIN... (remembering the same circus show from the TM case in FLA)

and once again the ring masters are letting the clowns run the show.

 

If in your hypothetical community ALL police are black, then something strange is going on, wouldn't you say?

In general, the goal is to have cadres (of police, schoolteachers, whatever) whose composition roughly matches that of the community where they serve. In your case, I doubt anyone would complain if the police force were 10-15% black. If the police are ALL black, there will be trouble. If it turns out that those who hire the police in your 99% white community are ALSO all black, I think something like the Brown incident is highly likely sooner or later.

 

But you will notice that I addressed this, and recommended nothing of the sort. The best way to have the police force reflect the community it serves is to hire officers who reflect that community. In the Ferguson case, clearly the exact opposite was done. But once hired, I don't recommend firing anyone except for cause, and being the "wrong" race is not suitable cause.

 

This is primarily about police-community relations in these predominantly black neighborhoods. It has never been a good relationship...this goes back to the civil rights era.


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They want Wilson lynched in the street. Anything less than that and we will see rioting compared to the Watts riot in the 60's. Officer Wilson will be thrown to the wolves to keep the peace in Ferguson and all over the country. Wilson doesn't stand a chance at a fair trial.

 

So you support the idea of black cops not being hired in white communities, due to the fact that they are black and do not reflect the community?

The most ironic thing about this, and something your progressive brain can't compute, is that you're arguing for segregation.

 

Using the same argument we should elect a president who reflects the majority race in America.

 

Skin color is only... skin deep. Why should or does it matter?

 

Cliche's. What is it they want, what would be justice if they could have it tomorrow? How would this "justice" manifest itself in order to have this peace tomorrow?

I call the looters and rioters and shooters and arsonist who are tearing apart the community animals, what do you call them?

I was thinking more of this definition "A person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner." Did that escape you or something?

 

Their are clearly disputing reports on weather the cop was attacked or not. But you know what, So what!!!

What can not be disputed is that he was unarmed, and the cop killed him. There is no way you can tell me that the best coarse of action was for the cop to launch 6 bullets into him, including 2 head shots. He could have easily arrested him if he was being attacked, and if he couldn't arrest him, than he has no business being a cop!!! Cops are trained in self defense, and combat,a nd are trained to only fore their weapons as a last resort, if the lives of themselves, or the public is in jeopardy.
A cop only uses deadly force as last resort, never a 1st option.
For all you GOP small govt guys, by allowing your local govt to have cops act without repercussions, and giving them a license to kill anytime they can say self defense, means you live in a STATE OF TYRANNY!!!

This is what all you 2nd Amendment gun nuts are rallying against, a govt in control of all the guns, and leaving you defenseless,.

BTW, I love cops, my father a 25 year decorated police commander, my uncle, two cousins, all police officers. They all agree with me. My dad served 25 years in some of the worse gang and crime riddled neighborhoods in the city, was attacked numerous times, even shot at a few times, never fired his weapon in over 25 years. he always said, never had a reason to, always a better way.

This kid is dead, no going back, as final as it gets. Even if he was a troubled kid who attacked a cop, he will never get a chance to mature and improve as a person,. I know I am glad a cop never became my judge, jury, and executioner, when I was 18, I would have been in some trouble, and never would have had a chance to mature, this kid does not have a chance to to mature. Again, death is as final as it gets, that is why it is always a last resort.

That is sad that our society has become so desensitized, that death is no big deal. Does anyone really think that kid deserved to die?

Again all your small govt, gun nut conservatives out there, by allowing local govt to become judge,jury and executioner, with no repercussions, you are allowing yourself to live in a police state, and a state of tyranny.

Who knows, maybe next time it will be your kid, who gets killed, by a police officer acting in self defense.

 

So in communities that are 2/3 white we can call for more white police officers and white police chiefs? If my business caters to 100% whites and can refuse to hire blacks because of race?

They have to apply first don't they.
"Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said 50 of the city’s 53 police officers are white. He said he made recruiting and promoting black officers a priority when he took over four years ago after a three-decade police career in St. Louis and St. Louis County.
Jackson said he promoted two black officers to sergeant in his first year in Ferguson, though one of those officers has since left for a better-paying job.
“I’m constantly trying to recruit African-Americans and other minorities,” he said. “But it’s an uphill battle. The minority makeup of this police department is not where I want it to be.”"
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08...mething-against-law-enforcement-in-many-ways/

That has been a problem here and elsewhere, first the pool of qualified blacks is disproportionately low compared to other races because blacks disproportionately do not finish high school and those that do have lower educational achievements. Blacks also disproportionately engage in more crime which also disqualifies them from serving as police officers. Then blacks are told don't become a cop, I am listening to a black activist make these exact points on the John Gibson show as I type.

Blacks should be thankful whites are willing to take the risk and to put their lives on the line for blacks in these communities else they would have NO police to protect and serve them.

Two of my grandsons have black teacher, wouldn't my demand they have white teachers because white teachers could Identify with them better and are better suited to teach whites be just as valid as black claims that only blacks can be police in black neighborhoods because only they understand blacks? How about if I complain to the chief of police about black cops patrolling in my white neighborhood?

Clearly? I think you are making assumptions here through dark glasses.

See above, how about all the white police just resign tomorrow and whites refuses to serve in black areas from now on?

 

Actually the overwhelming evidence at hand is that Brown turned and bumrushed the officer after having already attacked him in the car.

Why do you leave out the salient facts about the robbery and the assault on the police officer and then the refusing to comply with the officers orders to freeze and then his bumrushing the officer?

And how was he supposed to arrest him? Please give us the specifics of exactly what he was supposed to do as the 300lb, 6'6" thug who had already assaulted him was bumrushing him in an attempt to bowl him over on the ground. You have about 2.5 seconds before he hits you, how exactly was he suppose to just arrest this violent person bent on attacking him and probably going for his weapon again?

Have you spoken to the store and home owners who are relying on their 2nd Amendment rights to protect their property from these animals bent on looting and burning them down?

He has no credibilty here if he makes the absurd statement "there is always a better way"

Yep he wrote his own death warrant.

Yep when you write your own death warrant you suffer the consequences.

You attacked a cop tried to get his firearm at sometime in your life?

Yes if he, as the evidence shows, attacked a police officer threatening that officer while trying to evade arrest for a felony strong arm robbery he had just committed he deserved to die...............what don't understand.

But next time someone is breaking into your home, don't call the police to come and risk their lives to protect you. And please put a sign up in your front yard that declares you will never call the police to this premises. And if you ever break down on a lonely highway and a police officer pulls up insist he leave you alone out there.

 

Lets remember that Ferguson evolved to its high concentration of blacks in the last 15 years or so, but the police hired back in the day still have their jobs and what else could be fair? Fire them to make way for new recruits to effect a balance? Shouldn't the hiring be color blind in any case? People don't seem to voice the same complaint when a city has a higher proportion of blacks in the police force than their share of the population. It seems that is the case in Chicago and New York.

And, the town council is determined by voting. Apparently blacks must be supporting these folks, or else the blacks aren't voting in the same proportion whites are.

 

First, I am terribly sad for this death. I have kids just barely older. Because I keep my mind open to the idea that sometimes deaths are unpreventable does not make me unsympathetic to the plight of this young man and the suffering of his family.

I am getting really irritated at the idea now being spun that those that might see this death as unpreventable are unsympathetic. These two things do not follow each other.

Secondly, my brother has also been a cop for almost 30 years. He has also been hospitalized, twice, once fighting for his life and suffering permanent physical damage, by people that were unarmed. If he could have fired his gun that second time, safely and without hesitation, I would be standing beside him in support of his actions. He hesitated and he payed for it.

What information do you have to conclude that you can know the police officer didn't need to fire 6 bullets or possibly face his own death at the hands of this young man who had already gone for the gun once?

You state the officer could/should have 'easily' arrested him if he was being attacked as if you have some kind of authoritative knowledge on how that is done. I find that an absurd statement, so I'd love it if you could explain how a 6'4" 290 pound man who wants to resist arrest and who has proven himself out to harm the smaller police officer 'should' necessarily be able to be detained without the use of a weapon.

I'd like you to explain how you would stop a man that size who was rushing at you in hopes of doing you great harm and possibly, once again, wrestling you for your gun?