Michael Savage condemns no Garner indictment

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  1. Tahuyaman

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    I could absolutely prove negligence on the officers part. No question about it.

    He was negligent in that he did not execute a take down in accordance with his training and approved department policy.
     
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    I do not use an inappropriate amount of force in the conduct of my duty. I don't need to. I use interpersonal communication skills in a manner which prevents incidents such as this.

    Sometimes things happen which are beyond one's control, but that does not absolve one of his responsibility to act within the guidelines of department policy and approved defensive tactics techniques.

    Plus I would not be transporting a person to jail for the equivalent of J-walking. I'd have written the man a citation.
     
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    I can assure you, you could not. any defense attorney could get reasonable doubt, thus an acquittal.



    When in training........they don't resist or fight back..........you should know this........
     
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    It is not a citation offense.

    He was a repeat offender...........making it a class E felony
     
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    Wrong, I could absolutely prove the officer was negligent. I do this for a living. I take my training seriously. I take department policy seriously. I understand the liability if I do not. I am a defenvive tactics instructor. Trust me, I know more about this than you do.

    I don't know where this menality comes from which suddenly believes the authority figure is always right. Police officers are human. There are good ones, average ones and bad ones.

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    Yes it was. It was on a par with J walking.
     
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    I find it both incredible and disturbing that anyone of any political leaning could approve of, let alone demand police officers conduct their duty in such a way. It boggles my mind.

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    Obviously, you've never attended a training session.
     
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    Trust me you don't........because if you could, you should be a DA........because they couldn't do it.

    You are a cop.............this in no way makes you an expert.

    Nor does being a defensive trainer.

    You do not want to set a precedent, that if an officer under duress, fails to adhere to his training to the T.............

    The city will pay for this in civil court.

    I'm almost certain Federal Civil Rights charges will be levied against him.

    He will never be an officer again.

    What he did, did not kill Garner...............it set in motion a chain of events......

    Hence back to what I said. If you arrested a guy............he went into cardiac arrest in your car from the excitement of the ordeal..............do you want to be charged with negligence?
     
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    I don't understand the mentality which believes this conduct by our law enforcement officers is acceptable.

    If I acted in such a manner and the suspect died because of it, I would fully expect to be held legally responsible for his death. However, I do not overstep my authority. I'm not a hot head who's out looking for physical confrontations. I'm not out there looking to prove anything to anyone.

    If I arrested someone and conducted myself completely within department policy and did not neglect to abide by my training, I would not worry about being prosecuted for a crime if he died in my car on the way to jail.

    While we should not prosecute a police officer for doing his job correctly, we should not give them a pass when they don't.
     
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    If you are trying to convince me that during your training session, you have real fight or flight criminals on the receiving end...............I will kiss your ass

    kind of like handgun qualifying under no duress
     
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    A lot to respond to.

    First, yes I am an expert in this area. My department sees to it that I'm an expert. If a prosecutor could convict, that's his problem. I could prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the officer(s) were negligent. Prosecution is not on me.

    I agree the city will pay, as the officers were negligent and that is a fact

    As to civil rights violation? I don't see this as a violation of civil rights, but there I am no expert.

    You are right that he will never again be a police officer, nor should he be.

    Had the officers acted within the guidelines of their training and department policy, the petty criminal would still be alive.

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    Pucker up buttercup.
     
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    I'm not a firearms instructor, but you are right on that one. We don't train and qualify against live, armed targets. That wouldn't be practical or reasonable.
     
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    Officers should be required to get their heart rate up before qualifying........

    Lots of officers are dismal when not under duress.......

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    Precisely the point I've tried to.

    This is like trying to perfect catching a greased pig.

    All fine and dandy when they guy you are practicing on lets you get a hold.............

    not so much when they put up a fight.
     
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    Aren't we full of our self.......?
     
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    by Jim Hoft
    December 4, 2014, 10:30 PM


    Conservative radio host and author Mark Levin discussed Kristinn Taylor’s previous post at The Gateway Pundit on the Black female police sergeant who supervised Eric Garner’s deadly arrest.

    From Thursday’s Mark Levin show:


    Previously…
    Lost in the racial outcry over the decision to not indict white police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the death of Black petty criminal Eric Garner is the key fact that the attempt to arrest Garner was overseen by a Black female police sergeant.
    [video=youtube;iyZ-ZdQE67c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyZ-ZdQE67c[/video]​
    Previously…
    Lost in the racial outcry over the decision to not indict white police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the death of Black petty criminal Eric Garner is the key fact that the attempt to arrest Garner was overseen by a Black female police sergeant.

    Read more:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-supervised-eric-garners-deadly-arrest-audio/

    Who is supervising NYPD Sergeant Black Kizzy Adoni complicit in the fatal arrest of Eric Garner.? What orders did she give the arresting officers? Why wasn't she charged in the death of Eric Garner?
     
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    I don't know enough about the case to have a well informed opinion. But from what I do know it seems like the opposite of the mike brown or trayvon martin cases. This time it looks like the officer is guilty but I still need to review the facts.
     
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    Some of this article may not be true. The grand jury is secret and stays secret even after.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/05/eric-garner-reckless-endangerment_n_6275698.html

    A couple of things I have learned about grand juries in NY. They consist of 23 people. 12 decide. The vote could have been 11 for indictment and 12 against. The vote is not recorded so we can never know. This bugs me. Worse, the members of the grand jury are not required to be present every day evidence is brought in.

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    I have tried to understand the people who are so positive that the cops should not be charged with anything. You see, the cops stayed on him until he was out cold. They left him on his side. They didn't lift a finger to help the man who passed out while claiming to be unable to breathe. Nevermind what kind of hold it was. Nevermind the skin color of the cops or the victim. Nevermind the BS. The cops made him lose consciousness from which he never awoke.
     
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    Actually we do. We fire two PPC courses. The first at the start of the qualification course and the second immediately following a two mile run. You're not going to come up with something not already being utilized today.
     
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    You have a very good point about the "cops" plural however because there was a desire to make this a white on black thing everyone else epically the ranking officer, a black woman, were given immunity.
     

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