I'll see your pipeline, and raise you an infrastructure!

It has nothing to do with delusion, and everything to do with self centeredness.

He is protecting his own interests, at the cost of efficiency and the environment.

 

AK Runner is right.

Your response didn't refute the claim either.

Obama has rolled back the Teapot Dome like wholesale giveaway of mineral rights exploitation of federal land.

This was good thing, given the level of outright corruption the Bush adminstration brought to this (the assistant Secretary of the Interior went to prison, and his boss suddenly decided she needed to "spend time with her family" late on Friday afternoon, not to mention the sex and drugs scandal in the Denver office of the Bureau of Land Management)

 

Making products more expensive for the lower class does not help the middle class.

He is correct in his statement.......

We are regressing to ship oil by truck and rail ............

 

What do mean "his interests"?

So many of the Canadian oil and gas producers have foreign ownership.. namely the Chinese.

 

Thanks for the sweet insults, but youre frustrated because I am educated, on the subject.

If the price of gas stayed a $2.50 a gallon for the last 8 years, our economy would have recovered years ago.

 

It is a supply line to U.S. Gulf Coast refineries — which have signed up to 20-year binding commercial contracts to receive oil through Keystone XL. This much-needed oil will allow refineries to create products that we all rely on every day — gasoline for our vehicles, aviation fuels, and diesel fuels to help transport goods throughout the continent. - See more at: http://keystone-xl.com/facts/myths-facts/#sthash.ykfe0WrR.dpuf
http://keystone-xl.com/facts/myths-facts/

 

whatever, dude....

Obama has lead an active role increasing the price of gas to dissuade the American people from driving, to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, and save the world from "Global Warming".

Its a freakn fact, and obamas been spewing his BS for 6+ years.

 

American interests are my interests. I contract for a rail yard and test product in their tanks prior to loading onto the train. This oil comes from Canada and is transported by rail. Keystone will see a 70% reduction in activity at this particular facility here in Wyoming, which will cause layoffs for about 30 people. Those 30 people will no longer pump their money into our Wyoming economy, which has flourished under oil as it is our only strong industry. That means less tax revenue for local government to fund projects for the rest of us, and less money being pumped into local businesses by these men and women.

 

You don't care about economic efficiency or the environment, you only care about saving your own ass.

This is fun. (and not very productive)

 

Our economy is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up because we are eliminating middle class jobs and shifting to a service economy which is low paying. Gas has nothing to do with it. Very few middle class industries still exist that are easily accessible without higher education, petroleum is one of them.

 

As a Canadian Center lefty, I was opposed to this, but have decided that it's in both our countries best interests.

The oil is going to be extracted and shipped. So thinking that stopping XL will somehow slow greenhouse gases is out the window.

Plus, the way our royalty rates are structured, my province will only see a portion of the money made from this. the US gets the most of it by refining it and selling it.

That said, I like the idea of getting something for it as well. Bargaining is one of the central points of Politics, and there should be a middle ground to be found with this.

 

Oil refineries refine crude oil for free?

 

Economic efficiency is a moot point when the savings don't benefit Americans. And yes, I care about saving my own ass, and the asses of friends of mine who work in the industry. They are more important to me and my local economy than the pocket books of oil execs and their shareholders.

 

That oil is already getting to our refineries via truck and rail. I work for a rail yard in Wyoming that receives all its oil from Canada. Keystone will help get a few of those workers at the rail facility laid off. At the expense of Wyoming.

 

You really, really believe that simplistic nonsense, don't you?????

Now I'm sure you don't do much negotiation, and you certainly don't understand group dynamics.

 

I wonder how supportive conservatives here would be of Keystone if it was coming from Mexico and not Canada.

"THEY ARE TAKIN OUR JOBS!!!1"

That would be all we hear.

 

Whats to negotiate?

Congress can only pass bills they have the votes to pass.

Pass everyone you can, and send them to the president.

You best get used to being treated the way democrats treated republicans for the past 6+ years.
Obama administration refuses to negotiate on debt ceiling increase

 

I will agree to keystone if you make the pipe 2 inches wide max

ok, now we both threw stuff on the table, now we can continue to negotiate

.

 

Ah I thought you would make the connection on your own. You asked how it helps Americans , did you not? Lowering the carbon emissions not only helps Americans, but the entire planet. Unless of course you think global warming is false.

 

Thanks for your honesty........

you are no better than a politician

shareholders are most of America that own a 401k

nice of you to hate them all

 

Well at least you are honest.

Since you take such a simplistic approach to domestic economic policy, maybe we should just give you and your buddies $50 each.

Right?

I mean... if that is the datum for your positions.

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Well at least you are honest.

Since you take such a simplistic approach to domestic economic policy, maybe we should just give you and your buddies $50 each.

Right?

I mean... if that is the datum for your positions.

 

If you don't want to address my post just say so. There's no need for red herrings and Strawmen.

 

So you did not ask how this helps americans? What is the red hearing? What is the strawman?

So far you have responded twice, both being deflections. Going for the tri-factor?

 

I asked how losing American jobs and helping Canada sell oil helps Americans. Your environment nonsense is the red herring and me being against the environment the Strawman.

I have no interest or obligation to defend arguments I didn't make.

Now, perhaps you'd like to actually address my post now?

 

QUOTE him saying that.