NJ Woman Brutally Murdered While Waiting for Pistol Permit to Protect Herself

There was no gunfight. He had a knife. And we still don't know what the out come would have been. But she deserved the chance.

 

To what do you refer? How was a firearm utilized when the woman in question was stabbed to death in public? Are you attempting to suggest that if this woman, who was obviously in fear of her life, had actually had access to a firearm, would have allowed her husband to get close to her?

Your account name suggests that you are a woman. And yet you seem to have no support for another woman who has been abused by her husband. Where do your loyalties lay?

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Then you are going on record to state conclusively that you do not support personal responsibility, or fellow women being independent, correct?

 

I can't believe anyone is arguing that a gun wouldn't or couldn't have saved her life. Your home is your castle and you should be able to defend it. If i was that family I would put every last dollar into suing the state of New Jersey to get May issue over turned so no women ever has to die because she couldn't exercise her second amendment rights. Nobody should have to run from their own home in fear. Shame on anyone who is arguing different.

 

actually she had the Right. It was denied to her because some folks think the criminals need the break from getting shot while in the commission of a crime...poor poor criminals.............

 

Do you have to get permission to buy a shotgun in New Jersey?

 

Indeed you do.

http://www.njsp.org/about/firearms-faqs.html

 

Avoid the conflict, but have the means to fight back if needed. There are people who will de-claw and de-fang their pets----but those like you who want to disarm honest citizens of their best tools for defense are the most wicked.

 

I've looked up stories on this but I can't find one where she knew her ex was "on his way" to kill her. Do you have a link you could share?

 

I don't live in New Jersey. But your previous statement follows up mine. In order for this woman to have used a gun to protect herself, she would have to be carrying 24/7, which would require a permit for such. Hence, the question remains, WHEN did she start applying for such?

 

Ahh, but the bottom line is WHEN, Charles. The information you posted tells the reader that this situation was a LONG time coming. YOU allude that bureaucratic delays contributed to her death....yet you cannot validate that assumption as you cannot provide a time frame.

 

The only detail we are sure of is that she had to wait for her permit to own a gun. Most any other state she would have had a chance to defend her self. This delay doesn't prevent crime.

 

Nor does it promote it, Charles. Again, you make a claim that when logically analyzed does NOT stand up to scrutiny.

 

The story in the OP said that she applied for a "pistol permit" on Apr. 21st. The sheriff had 30 days to approve or deny the request and he obviously dropped the ball as she inquired about her permit 2 days before she was killed on June 3rd. That's about 43 days? I guess the police(who can carry a gun and protect themselves) didn't care about Carol Browne's life enough to tell her if she could protect herself.

 

Again, how long was her husband abusive? And if you are pointing out an "obvious" mistake ("dropped the ball"), then the whole time frame blame is more of an error than a deliberate delay.

 

The permitting process is nothing but a deliberate delay. It serves no purpose. They want to make it as hard as possible for law abiding people to obtain firearms.

 

Obviously the alleged abuse started before April 21st. When someone's protection depends on a restraining order, you would think that the police could process her application within the mandated 30 day limit. The sheriff's office broke the law to leave her without protection. Even if they denied the permit, she should have been notified so she could leave town or came up with some other means of defense.

I bet a police officer's wife could get a pistol permit in 30 days.

 

We've done this dance, Tex. Unless you can verify how long this woman was dealing with this abuse, when she got the walking papers, etc., etc., the initial claim just doesn't wash 100%.

Guess work, supposition and conjecture are no substitutes for facts.

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You're avoiding my points.

 

It doesn't matter how long she was dealing with abuse. She wasn't allowed to protect herself. She would have had a much better chance in a free state.

http://abc13.com/news/hcso-licensed-gun-holder-shoots-would-be-robber/769322/

 

Your missing the point..... whenever SHE decided that things have gone far enough, and decided she needed a firearm, she could not go out and get one. PERIOD.
None of your criticizing her for not deciding to arm herself in what you believe is a timely fashion (and you know no details) only shows that you are on the side of the criminal and not the victim.
We don't even know that if had she filed for a firearm 6 months prior to her death if her application would have been approved. More than likely not, since Jersey does everything it can to prevent law abiding people from owning firearms.

 

The idea is that he COULD have had a gun instead of a knife. And I think she HAD a chance to live.

 

I would simply hate to be soooo paranoid that I would have to carry a gun around with me. And I live in the wild, wild, west.

 

We have no idea of the circumstances so you can't accurately say that.
The point of this story is that she could not buy a gun to possibly defend herself, and in other states she could have. This isn't about the details of the story. Its about the big picture that people must wait to buy a guns when they decide that they need it most. The state stands in the way of law abiding citizens right to own a firearm.

 

The idea is of no relevance to the discussion at hand.

And why do you think such?

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Do you believe anyone truly enjoys feeling paranoia because they have suffered abuse?

 

I think that's correct, but the story said she knew her boyfriend was coming. That means (to me anyway) she had some time to beat a retreat.

Isn't everybody a law abiding citizen until they shoot someone? How do you weed out the non-law abiding citizens if you pass out a handgun the minute someone wants one?

 

What gun?