People from North Africa and ME countries, mostly from Syria it seems, are fleeing on foot or by bike as they head to the EU in search of a better life. The authorities are turning a blind eye in most places with the exception of public transportation. Apparently then smuggled into Serbia to go on to an EU country from there. IE: Romania, Croatia and Hungary. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/in...ives-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=84169&NewsCatID=354 The story has another side to it as to ISIS intentions here. http://www.dw.de/are-the-balkans-a-gateway-for-is/a-18526062 I am a big student of history and love trying to put myself in the shoes of people living out past events. There are dozens of good theories on why the W. Roman Empire fell, one of which is The Migration Period, which helped weaken the state until a fierce foe like Attila came and made the final push into Germania. Are we possibly seeing a similar situation as the crisis of the third century? Violent incursions/migrations, massive political division, economic problems. Heck, all we are missing is a good old fashioned plague! What similarities do you see in the two events and what can we learn from the mistakes of Rome? What can we do better to make sure we do not see a clash of civilizations that decimates all. Let's not forget, the Germans didn't want to destroy like many other empires, they wanted their part of the Roman society. Another twist to this is fighting the right fight. A little off base, but The Romans and the Sassanians were busy boxing each other, meanwhile this crazy horde of Arabs came and took them both out in a weakened state. When they really didnt have too much to be fighting over in the first place except pride. Sound like two countries we know of today? Ahem, hi Kremlin dudes! IMO, Rome focused more and more on a military born from its neighbors and allies. Too many armies were paid Germanics living on the frontier. When the economy turned, so did they. Interested to hear thoughts from all spectrum.
The migrants to Europe are going to weaken its culture. Europe will start to fragment as the immigrant communities share nothing in common with their parent nations and they will start to want to disconnect from their parent nations. Sharia law will overtake Europe and Common Law will go out the window. This is all my opinion.
And you believe only violence can stop it? I see Hungary is putting up a massive 14 foot wall between it and Serbia.
Is this accurate? https://www.google.com/search?q=mus...ifferences-between-Balkan-ethnicities;675;600
Scary... What would you personally do? I just started looking at this seriously and its much worse than I thought. Of course you hear nothing about it in the US
But send them home how? Through violence? I guess what I was getting at in my OP is that didn't work out too well for Rome. Eventually they pissed everyone off and it came back to bite them. The only places where they saw absolutely long term loyalty was in places like Gaul. Unfortunately it took Ceasar massacring over a million Gauls, so he says. So is violence what we need?
From what I've noticed, it seems the intent is to change the ethnic composition of the Orthodox nations such as Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro because of their affinity to Russia, and to give them an Islamic majority. The following indented part from DW I find interesting because there are very few Jews or communists in the Balkans today...so omitting that the infidels are Orthodox Christians has to be a propaganda ploy to cover up the real intent...and that is to change the ethnic composition of nations who have a religious and historical affinity to Russia. We know Turkey is behind ISIS, but is Washington behind it as well? The history of the Balkans over the past 100 years is nothing but a chronology of Muslim oppression, at least according to the "Islamic State" (IS) terrorist group, whose propaganda targets the region. The only solution in the fight against the communists, so-called "crusaders" and Jews is jihad, they say. In an elaborately produced video, "IS" urges Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegowina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia to kill their "infidel" neigbors. For instance ISIS is telling them to do what the KLA Albanian terrorists did to the Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo. Clinton helped them when he entered the war illegally and bombed Belgrade for seventy eight days. Which again bodes the question, is Washington behind ISIS in this endeavor as well as Turkey? I know that ISIS is attacking also on Russia's southern flank in Central Asia and the Caucasus. Anyway do you think this will start another Balkan war, and if it does, is it because they are going ahead with the gas pipeline? The interesting thing, is that while the Central and Southern European nations are not allowed to have cheap and reliable Russia gas, Germany is free to build two new Russian pipelines. You'll get that plague, just wait a while. It all starts with climate change and natural disasters. Of course now with the nuclear arms, the disaster might not be a natural one. As for Attila, you do know the Turkish invasion of Cyprus was called 'Attila', which means the inheritors of the Huns are back. The Muslims are all entering Europe compliments of Turkey. I think the Roman Empire fell for a lot of reasons, and Constantine must have known it would fall, or he wouldn't have moved his New Rome eastwards. It wasn't so much the Germans in the West, since they had become relatively civilized, but rather the Huns that were scaring the wits out of everyone so the German tribes were pushing their way into Rome. The culture, including the Vatican changed from a Greco/Roman one, into a more Germanic Frank one. In the East the Empire thrived, although they were being attacked continuously on all fronts...not just by the Arabs, but by Bulgars, Avars, etc. As for the Sassanians, what shocked me after reading a book by an Englishman living in Iran, was how similar they are to the Greeks, more so than to the Arabs or Turks...except of course in their religion. But the relationship between them goes back thousands of years, even before Alexander told them to intermarry, because some of the Aegean islands were fighting on the side of the Persians, while others on the side of the Athenians.
this would be an excellent idea, if it was true. but unfortunately for your theory, there are already millions of native Muslims in southeast Europe.
Lot of good stuff to respond to Jannette, I'm on a phone so it's tough. I know our history so I will just say I disagree that the problems in the Balkans are an anti Russian conspiracy. Not sure what else I can say as obviously you disagree. But yes, Persia was very hellenized until the Muslim invasions. And well, the migration period started far before Attillla and his Huns started invading. I also disagree that the Capitol was moved because of it. The majority of the wealth was in the east, it simply made far more sense. Before it even split Rome had lost most it's importance.
Maybe you should go back to school and study European history and then come back to discuss topics you clearly know nothing about on this forum. Native Muslims in southeast Europe... There are no native Muslims in Europe. They're remnants of the Ottoman empire. Invaders.
Well they got rid of the Jews, so I guess now it's time for the Orthodox....right Ronstar? After all, they can't go around teaching people to love one another now can they? It's so unproductive.
The facts say otherwise. And the Greco/Romans in Anatolia (Turkey) became very oriental in their customs because of Persia. It had nothing to do with the Turks. They simply adopted the customs of the people they conquered. I think the problems in Rome and Italy in general might have started with earthquakes and a climate change. I know malaria was so prevalent that August in Rome was called the dying season. The change in climate and the sicknesses might have been one of the reasons the capital was moved to the Greek city of Byzantium. According to the actual writings, when Constantine began outlining his new city, someone asked him why he kept going, and that the city was big enough. Constantine replied that he wasn't going to stop until the angel in front of him does. Yes I know Gibbons threw it all out, and it does sound strange... but look at the alternative. Was Constantine so brilliant that he could foresee the future and know that old Rome would fall, and that the new one would survive for one thousand years? I mean that's a lot more unrealistic to me. And then there's 'chance', but I'm a Christian, I like the angel one better.
lol Facts... I told you I'm not having that conversation with you as I find it laughable. If you would like to continue to discuss other things that is fine. Feel free to have the final word like a good employee. Well, I would say that the emperors became "Persianized" but definitely not the people. There were like 40 different cultures there that dated thousands of years and while they all had their different twang, but were mostly Hellenized and spoke Greek. While you are correct it did start before the Turk invasion, they were the ones who did the most damage. But Constantinople having massive re-settlement programs brought even crazier ethnic division. That IMO was the start of the de-Hellenization. -Edit Forgot about the climate change comment. Yes that definitely had something to do with it, the Roman empire fell for many reasons. I was just trying to make a connection with the Balkans today.
Uh-oh, we don't need another Serbia-Croatia conflict... Lack of EU migrant strategy reignites Serbia-Croatia tensions Thu Sep 24, 2015: Former Yugoslav foes Serbia and Croatia traded embargoes and insults on Thursday in the latest fallout from Europe's failure to agree a comprehensive response to the tide of migrants streaming north through the Balkans. See also: Hungary mulls 'corridor' for migrants as they flood in from Croatia Thu Sep 24, 2015: Hungary may consider opening a "corridor" for migrants to pass through from Croatia by train or bus if Austria and Germany want one and take full responsibility, Prime Minister Viktor Orban's chief of staff said on Thursday.
Waltky I love that picture. How beautiful that they would be carrying that elderly woman. It shows that a sense of decency and respect still exist among some people. I wish them well.
Right... we also have complete faith in Pallywood, RT and Sputnik. 70% of these refugees are young men like the ones in the picture.
The reality; [video=youtube;ZV315xqbRK8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=ZV315xqbRK8[/video]
EU citizens do not want to change their government. Therefore, EU governments want to replace their people. It does not show the Western media. [video=youtube;37IIqbYXEGg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=366&v=37IIqbYXEGg[/video]
