Congress Tells PP Doc Selling Aborted Baby Body Parts to Appear at Hearing

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  1. Dale Cooper

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    lol. Leave it to empty-headed liberals to not know the meaning of "birth"day.
     
  2. Yosh Shmenge

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    Yeah...:roll:. I don't prescribe to that Godwin's Law nonsense. And actually the more apt comparison would be the SS to PP in that they were/are both in the death business (not that I want to carry the comparison beyond that).

    Make of it what you will.


    Or perhaps not and you are too deluded to realize it. The power of life and death over a dependent individual is the sort of "right" that slaveholders fought for. Maybe you should consider that.



    Again, the same freedom of choice
    that robs some of their very lives. Would you consent to granting someone that power over you?

    Yes. I'm sure you'd rather take all the emotion out of killing others so it's a clean, bloodless matter of pennies and nickels.
    It's so easy to destroy others when you can deny their rights as human beings.
     
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    Ya, it isn't called conception day or 7 weeks day....
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    Your complete misrepresentation of what I posted is quite dishonest....but I realize if you were honest you would have no argument..

    It couldn't be simpler : PP doesn't do late term abortions. They don't have the facilities. Did I use small enough words?


    IF anyone is doing ILLEGAL late term abortions I doubt they would report it....oh, shoot, I bet you're all confused now....:)

    PP has no reason to do illegal abortions, they would risk losing everything , lose the purpose they are there for. It would be stupid and they're not stupid.

    Care to try the topic: No proof of profiting from fetal tissue.
     
  5. FreshAir

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    there is some magic in that first breath of life... personally I think life starts at about 23 weeks after conception, but we all differ in are opinions there, which is why we do not make the choice for others

    conception creates a vessel for life to enter, when life enters that vessel is still up for debate, for year Christians thought the breath of life was that point.... as that is when Adam became alive

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  6. FoxHastings

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  7. Yosh Shmenge

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    "Shouting" is so rude. Don't you agree?
    If Nazis forced women to abort (as well as give birth) it doesn't sound very pro life to me.

    Slave holders controlled ALL aspects of a slave's life. Including the most vital aspect, the right to life itself.
    That's what makes pro choice people like slave holders in the most important respect.

    It's truly unfortunate you've reduced the human right to life to a childish boast that has literal life and death consequences for some.


    If thinking was a precondition for life I can think of many progressives who should be in their grave right now.
    You don't value a child for what it is but because of it's inherent humanity (though that doesn't matter much to you).


    Like the "fact" that the unborn, slaves and Jews are less than human and therefore should be killed? Those are the sorts of "facts" the world rejected long ago and abortion is on the wane.

    The right to rid your self of a human inconvenience has been greatly restricted in the past and no doubt that will continue as abortion becomes more and more a moral anathema to people with a conscience.
     
  8. Wehrwolfen

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    [video=youtube;jjxwVuozMnU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxwVuozMnU[/video]

    42 U.S.C. United States Code, 2010 Edition
    Title 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
    CHAPTER 6A - PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE
    SUBCHAPTER II - GENERAL POWERS AND DUTIES
    Part H - Organ Transplants
    Sec. 274e - Prohibition of organ purchases​
    From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov

    §274e. Prohibition of organ purchases
    (a) Prohibition
    It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human organ for valuable consideration for use in human transplantation if the transfer affects interstate commerce. The preceding sentence does not apply with respect to human organ paired donation.
    (b) Penalties
    Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be fined not more than $50,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
    (c) Definitions
    For purposes of subsection (a) of this section:
    (1) The term “human organ” means the human (including fetal) kidney, liver, heart, lung, pancreas, bone marrow, cornea, eye, bone, and skin or any subpart thereof and any other human organ (or any subpart thereof, including that derived from a fetus) specified by the Secretary of Health and Human Services by regulation.
    (2) The term “valuable consideration” does not include the reasonable payments associated with the removal, transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, and storage of a human organ or the expenses of travel, housing, and lost wages incurred by the donor of a human organ in connection with the donation of the organ.
    (3) The term “interstate commerce” has the meaning prescribed for it by section 321(b) of title 21.
    (4) The term “human organ paired donation” means the donation and receipt of human organs under the following circumstances:
    (A) An individual (referred to in this paragraph as the “first donor”) desires to make a living donation of a human organ specifically to a particular patient (referred to in this paragraph as the “first patient”), but such donor is biologically incompatible as a donor for such patient.
    (B) A second individual (referred to in this paragraph as the “second donor”) desires to make a living donation of a human organ specifically to a second particular patient (referred to in this paragraph as the “second patient”), but such donor is biologically incompatible as a donor for such patient.
    (C) Subject to subparagraph (D), the first donor is biologically compatible as a donor of a human organ for the second patient, and the second donor is biologically compatible as a donor of a human organ for the first patient.
    (D) If there is any additional donor-patient pair as described in subparagraph (A) or (B), each donor in the group of donor-patient pairs is biologically compatible as a donor of a human organ for a patient in such group.
    (E) All donors and patients in the group of donor-patient pairs (whether 2 pairs or more than 2 pairs) enter into a single agreement to donate and receive such human organs, respectively, according to such biological compatibility in the group.
    (F) Other than as described in subparagraph (E), no valuable consideration is knowingly acquired, received, or otherwise transferred with respect to the human organs referred to in such subparagraph.

    So you claim that the conspiracy to supply body parts/organs of late term fetuses for money is not a crime?

    [​IMG]
     
  9. TomFitz

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    So some GOP politicians are going to make a show of pandering to the right to life crowd, by endorsing their sleazy smear campaign.
     
  10. Wehrwolfen

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    I did not state that late term abortion up to 23 weeks was illegal at this time. I wrote that after 20 weeks abortion is defined as late term abortion.
     
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    I have quoted you directly.. If you dont want something posted dont post it.

    Again

    "Late term abortions are perfectly legal if performed for the life or health of woman or fetus. ...no reason not to record them (since they're not illegal they are not "reported".)

    IF Illegal late term abortions are performed they hardly will respond to "mandatory reporting". "


    YOUR WORDS.
     
  12. FoxHastings

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    Ya, so? That doesn't mean you didn't misrepresent what I posted...you did....
     
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  15. FoxHastings

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    Does it? Is that illegal?
    Here's the rest of the post you couldn't address:


    "Pro-Life" never sounded pro-life to me. It's more Pro-Forced Childbirth and to heck with the LIFE of women......like the Nazis using force.(YOU brought up the comparison,)



    Slaves were people(whether legally or not) .. a fetus is not a person and if it was it would not be allowed "super" rights over others(the ability to use another person's body or cause them harm)


    .

    It's truly ridiculous that you wish to reduce humans to nothing but broodstock which has life and death consequences for actual people.




    Oh, gee, THAT'S not childish



    I value all children. You don't value women as humans with human rights.




    The unborn are not less human they just aren't people with rights.





    Guess you've never heard of war or the death penalty.




    Obviously you have no knowledge of how long abortion has been around (hundreds if not thousands of years) and it has mostly been legal...

    Most Americans have said that whether or not they personally approve of abortion it still should be legal.....and it will be....

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    Stem Express.. P.P. Baby Parts Client..and took their site offline....for the last few days...

    the home page URL.....the default or index page....stated that theywere in Maintenance mode

    today this is the statement on that page....

    "We apologize for our website being down for the last 24 hours. It was knocked offline by excessive traffic."

    to that I say HORSE PUCKEY

    theres plenty more video to come.

    the body parts saleswoman is goin DOWN
     
  20. FoxHastings

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    While I've never used that term, nor heard anyone else use it, I do believe it is technically correct:

    par·a·site /ˈperəˌsīt/ noun noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

    an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.


    They do not use government funds to perform abortions now (it's illegal), so how can you deduct those costs? and if you did, and they still continued to offer that service, would you deduct more? at what point would you stop?
     
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    Obama already did that with the ACA didnt he? No need for the corner shop of horrors. Your entire post is nothing but a marketing blast for PP.
     
  23. FoxHastings

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    How ridiculous. Did ACA build clinics where they're accessible? Not now, not yet, if ever....and if it did Anti-Choicers would demand they be shut down because care of the poor just isn't on their agenda.

    You find poor women having access to cancer screenings like mammograms "horror"? I'm sure YOU do.

    You find access to affordable birth control options "horror"? I am sure YOU do.

    You find affordable, accessible treatment for, and information about, STDs "horror"? I'm sure YOU do.


    You find prenatal care for poor women "horror"? I'm sure YOU do.


    This is fact:

    97% of what Planned Parenthood does is NOT about abortion or the tissue harvested. It's about women's health, cancer screenings, pre-natal care, STD screenings and care (for men, too)...all to aid poor women get safe affordable accessible health care .





    And your childish reference to PP as "corner shop of horrors" shows your total lack of knowledge of what PP does....yet you comment anyway...not a smart move.
     
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    LOL....doubling down on a PP Propaganda.

    ^
    ACA does this already supposedly. I guess if we still need the corner giblet shop, maybe it doesnt?


    By the way, it's obvious that it is YOU who doesnt know what they do or dont do, and is just spouting a marketing blurb for them in your ignorance.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/10/19/planned-parenthood-admits-it-does-not-do-mammograms-for-women/


    Just keep spouting that Planned Parenthood rhetoric though, it's a hoot.
     
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    Your refusal to acknowledge facts luckily affects no one :)

    I'm sorry the word "accessible" was too big for you....


    If you think that what I posted about PP services is propaganda you certainly have every opportunity to prove me wrong.

    Do show how PP ONLY does abortions.........



    Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 80 percent of our clients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

    Planned Parenthood services help prevent approximately 516,000 unintended pregnancies each year.

    Planned Parenthood provides nearly 400,000 Pap tests and nearly 500,000 breast exams each year, critical services in detecting cancer.

    Planned Parenthood provides nearly 4.5 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including 700,00 HIV tests.

    Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.

    Planned Parenthood affiliates provide educational programs and outreach to 1.5 million young people and adults each year.

    Planned Parenthood has eight million activists, supporters, and donors working for women's health and safety and our fundamental reproductive rights.
    - See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...d-parenthood-at-a-glance#sthash.3riRMRYo.dpuf
     

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