New Planned Parenthood Transcript: Nurse Admits It’s ‘Fun’ To Dissect Fetuses

Confusing children with fetuses is a standard ploy by the antiabortion advocates but it is Unfortunatly for them not true. And therefore the use of the term murder is also invalid. You murder human beings not fetuses. Life may begin at conception but a collection f cells is not a human being.

 

That nurse would make a good Nazi!!!!!

 

The old "Nazi" cry of the flailing and desperate.

The Nazis FORCED women to have abortions AND FORCED women to stay pregnant......the key word is "FORCE", what Anti-Choicers advocate.

 

Right wing politicians have been promoting abortions for 35 years by standing in the way of sex education and birth control.

Planned Parenthood has likely prevented millions of abortions over time. Where's this conversation?

Birth Control is abortion prevention absolutely.

Sex Education is abortion prevention.

Supporting No Birth Control and No Sex Education = more abortions.

How many know that Planned Parenthood is wayyyyy more pro-active about abortion prevention than the right wing politicians have ever been?

Planned Parenthood locations are more like medical clinics which offer a variety of services for both male and female. A great source for low income human beings.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info

 

I think we need to review the conversation:

So it's your position that because this nurse and Mengele had similar motivations, there is no reason to believe your initial claim about this nurse applies just as well to Mengele. Have I got that about right?

We are not talking about "all sorts of things". We are not talking about worms, frogs, lizards, rats, or any other organism that can't be murdered. We are talking about human beings. Do you find the distinction problematic?

So what? Is there some reason to believe Mengele thought himself a ghoul?

 

More accurately, focusing on the technical and superficial distinction between fetuses and children serves as a means of dehumanizing unborn children as surely anti-Jewish propaganda served to dehumanize the Jews in the eyes of the Nazi rank and file.

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Sure, just as the extermination of Jews wasn't mass murder in the eyes of the Nazis.

 

yguy: Is abortion murder?

 

You asked a question, I answered it directly. I'm not sure what's unclear.
Is there any reason to believe all this didn't apply to Josef Mengele?
No, there isn't any reason to believe all this didn't apply to Josef Mengele.

People usually get into specific styles of work because they enjoy their work, find it fun, interesting, worthwhile. I'm sure it applies to nurses today, and I suppose that applies to Mengele too.

Scientific research, as far as I am aware, doesn't murder people. If someone has died, and there is an opportunity to learn something about the body for medical advancement (treatment, drugs, whatever) that could save lives in the future - I think that's a good thing. Body snatching aside, examining corpses was still regulated even in a less civilized era in England - and they have advanced medicine and understanding. Today we have had the infamous Von Hagens bringing autopsy to the masses. It is considered morbid be interested in death, but that's part of life. Like it or not, for correct medical research, examining corpses (children or otherwise) is an important job that exists.

I think I prefer the possible advancements it can make, over dismissing it as morbid.

Sure, why not. He might have though himself a "ghoul". Does that suggest that nurses also feel that way about themselves?

 

I think most of the thinking world is no longer impressed with gratuitous Nazi comparisons. <Mod Edit>

 

Oh I'm not so sure.

I was quite impressed when I saw roving gangs of Israelis holding up signs which said "Leftists to the ovens."

Or these happy terrorists recently:

 

Other than to save the life of the mother, yes.

OK, so you find no fault with the conduct which has rendered his name an execration. Have I got that right?

So in your view Mengele wasn't engaged in scientific research. Right?

Please, that is absurdly benign by comparison to what we're talking about here.

Because if he had, he could not have enjoyed his work, as you say he did.

What the hell do I care?

Perhaps not coincidentally, most of the "thinking world" has seriously compromised its humanity, which is why despotism is the norm on Terra Firma.

 

In yguy world, what would be the punishment for the woman who has an abortion? Would it be life in prison without parole, or the death penalty?

 

Well, I'm glad it's fun to dissect a fetus. There's that at least. The abortion didn't go to waste.

 

Nope. Suggesting someone enjoys what he does, and suggesting it is ethical or "right" is completely different. I'm not quite sure how you can link the two. I'm sure ISIS enjoy their job, but I can't condone that. Nurses, working for legitimate medical research, I can understand. Mengele's "research" was not legitimate and yielded no benefits or contributions to science or medical advancement. The only thing that came around from all the horrors is the Nuremberg code, and it's a shame that they had to embolden that.

Not legitimate research.

I'm talking about medical research obtained from legitmate purposes by nurses and other doctors - you know, the topic of conversation. Menegele was a side question you asked, which I have no particular interest. You completely misunderstood the context of "body snatchers" in the rest of the paragraph.

So you maintain you cannot be genuinely interested in scientific research of the body, or medicine, without being ghoulish. Fine, good call. I guess all legitimate scientific achievements about the internal body, etc, were performed by ghouls. Thank god those people exist. I'm not gonna judge them or call them ghouls, but please - feel free to do so. If you insist on doing so, you need to find a harsher word to describe Mengele than "ghoul".

It was you that suggested that nurses were ghoulish, to which I disagreed, seemed to suggest you cared. Regardless of caring, I was answering your questions on Mengele - which had nothing to do with what I was talking about. If you don't care about discussions on the topic of this thread, then stop trolling.derailing them. That said, I like feeding trolls, it's fun. I guess you can say I enjoy doing it.

 

Why is it not murder if it's for the life of the woman?

How is the abortion procedure and outcome different?

 

So what, precisely, makes the former legitimate and the latter not?

I doubt it.

Obviously not - but it's right neighborly of you to advertize your determination to misunderstand all the same.

Obviously nothing I said suggests the slightest interest in whether ghouls consider themselves ghouls.

 

Q: Is abortion murder

It appears yguy is unwilling or unable to answer this follow up question:

In yguy world, what would be the punishment for the woman who has an abortion? Would it be life in prison without parole, or the death penalty?

 

Funny. I have asked those questions many times in many threads where Anti-Choicers claim it's murder and I have receive NO answers.

 

At this stage of the game I don't see any need to think much about it, though I'd probably focus on abortion providers more than the women.

 

It seems like you cannot make a distinction between Mengele and those who pioneered transplants that have saved untold lives. The likes of Christiaan Barnard, Thomas Starzl and Richard Lawler may have performed the first surgeries - but not without the research that was behind the scenes throughout the decades; not without "ghoulish" research, as you might prefer to put it. Unlike Mengele who's work had no medical benefit whatsoever.

If you want to know what, precisely, makes one legitimate and the other not, I suggest you investigate the Mengele trial, and the subsequent Nuremberg Medical code that resulted. I'm happy to accept that as an answer; perhaps not enough for you?

If you understood my point being that the Nazis were not civilized when it came to this area of "work" (unlike most medical history from the last few century), then you didn't convey that by quoting the "bodysnatching" comment (which I mentioned specifically as to avoid marring my points about successful and legitimate research). But I'm glad you did understand then.

It only seemed right to return the favor.

What has that to do whether you consider them a ghoul?

 

So a woman who commits murder, in your opinion, should not face criminal charges?

Seriously?

 

This is some of the most laughable hypocrisy ever.
Your own favorite right-wing black, Dr Ben Carson, the highly knowledgeable neurosurgeon, was defending and using fetal tissue for research 20 years ago.
Now he's piled on the PP hysteria and panders to the idiot right-wingers.

 

This thread isn't relevant to the abortion issue because the only issue that I consider at stake is when human consciousness begins - which is somewhere between 5-16 weeks in the pregnancy; any elective abortions prior to that aren't taking a human life so all other factors are irrelevant.

If the fetus has no human consciousness at that stage in the abortion, then it isn't a person yet by the definition of natural rights - so whether someone finds it 'fun' to dissect it is a moot point.

Someone who works in a slaughterhouse might find it "fun" as well, but that point has no relevance on PETA's claim that "meat is murder" for example.

 

Well I agree on this.

The only issue that should be at stake here is whether or not abortion is murder, and by scientific definition a fetus has no brain or consciousness at conception.

So there's no reason to object to the "harvesting" of the fetal parts anymore than there is to object to donating the parts of a deceased person to science.

Some people just can't discuss the actual science and facts, so they have to divert the issue to shock tabloid stories like this, even when it's completely irrelevant to the issue of abortion itself.

 

I'd say elective abortion should be banned at a certain point in the pregnancy - at the point which brain activity begins.

And women who have illegal, non-life threatening abortions after that point should be charged yes - 1st or 2nd degree murder depending on the circumstances.

A person who aborts a baby with no medical concerns the day before delivery is killing a baby by all biological definitions, so they should be charged just the same as if they killed it after delivery.