UK: Less than 1 in 4 actually voted Conservative in 2015

No, they didn't. Only 50% exactly of Scots voted for the SNP in the General Election in May.

The fact that SNP gained 56 of the 59 Scottish seats at Westminster blinds you to the fact that the vast majority of Scots did NOT vote SNP.

Something's wrong when only 50% of Scots vote SNP yet that party still takes 56 of Scotland's 59 Westminster seats, and Ukip take the third most number of votes throughout the UK (more than SNP and LibDems put together) yet take only one Westminster seat.

 

A Scottish Nationalist? Oh No I am not! I was once a Trotskist & now am now a far right libertarian.

 

So you were lying when you said you despise people getting a government they didn't vote for?

 

Well I lie all the time! I just despise people that vote, in the hope that will change anything.

 

Especially I despise Socialists, they are the worst infected of the disease "politics".

 

Well it certainly won't change anything in Scotland if we continue to let another country govern us.

 

What an ignorant comment! Any Independent Scottish Government would still be a slave of modern economics and all those external influences. And an Independent Scotland would be swept away under those influences ....

 

And you call my comment ignorant? An independent Scotland wouldn't be bombing Syria right now, there's one change.

 

An independent Scotland would be bankrupt right now because oil prices collapsed.

 

Sorry, pal, you're wrong. I don't see why an SNP vote should be worth more than a Ukip vote - which is, effectively, the case.

The fact that Ukip got MORE VOTES than SNP AND LIBDEMS COMBINED yet got just ONE seat compared to the 64 that SNP and LibDems got combined is truly sickening.

And not only that, half of Scots did NOT vote SNP, yet that party got 95% of Scottish seats.

There's something wrong with our democracy - very wrong - when Ukip get more votes that SNP and LibDems COMBINED yet the SNP and LibDems combined get SIXTY-FOUR TIMES as many seats as Ukip. There's something wrong with our democracy and it needs changing. It's grossly unfair that the Scottish Numpty Party and other loony leftie parties require far few votes to win one seat than parties like Ukip.

To be honest with you, if the SNP had allowed the rest of the UK to vote in the Scottish independence referendum, Scotland would probably be now on its way to independence. I think most people in the rest of the UK want to get rid of the whingeing Scots.

But just because the Scots voted to remain in the UK does not mean the rest of the UK has to put up with the Scottish nationalists being given a far easier ride in the electoral system than more popular parties like Ukip, by requiring far fewer votes to win a seat than more popular parties like Ukip. There's only so much the people of the rest of the UK are going to put up with parties like SNP winning 50-odd seats with just 1.4 million votes when parties like Ukip win just one seat with 3.8 million votes, as happened in the last election. This won't continue much longer. There are going to end up being protests and disturbances until this major democratic flaw is fixed.

 

That's correct. You'd be standing by and letting others fight for your safety.

 

No, they didn't. Only 50% of Scots voted SNP, yet SNP still managed to get 95% of Scottish seats.

It's another highlight of the major flaws in our electoral system and who it needs changing. I'd be able to easily sympathise if almost half of those Scots who voted in the 2015 General Election and those 4 million people who voted Ukip in the General Election are feeling reallly disenfranchised right now. Effectively, almost half of Scottish voters and 4 million Ukip voters WERE disenfranchised.

 

Isn't it hilarious? UKIP are such a laughing stock

 

Feeling a bit like this today Nigel you utter bellend? I say we deport Farage's wife and take her job too, British jobs for British workers after all.

 

Well to be fair, would an independant Scotland even have an airforce capable of reaching Syria...or an air force for that matter?

 

Why would Scotland's air force need to reach Syria? We're not colonialist warmongers, and yes actually, if we leave the UK we instantly own 10% of the UK's military hardware as we've paid for it, and that would be more than enough to patrol our skies.

 

Are you basing that idea on that white paper that the SNP produced?

 

No, international law. Its very clear on such things. One of us has a masters in International Relations and it isn't you.

Of course there is also the possibility some horse-trading could go on, the UK keep all the hardware and pay us for our share, knock it off the debt, shared defence forces, there are all sorts of ways it can be dealt with. But the principle remains, Scotland, if it leaves the UK, takes its per capita share of the debt AND the assets. All of them, things that can't be physically divided have to be valued and requisite arrangements made.

If the UK was to try and get prissy and refuse to comply with international law, the UN could step in, and Scotland could refuse to accept its share of the debt. No assets no debt. Which would leave the UK with about an extra £150 billion debt, and, given the UK's debt is increasing by about two grand a second as we speak, that is something they simply cannot afford.

I don't understand what offends people in England so much about Scottish independence, that smart people put forward facile arguments against just because they are instinctively opposed to it. It must affront you, you should think about it from our point of view, how would you like to have an SNP government in Westminster right now? They won no seats England how would you feel if you were under an SNP administration today? There would be rioting in the streets, but the Tories won one seat in Scotland and they are governing Scotland right now.

97% of Scotland's MP's voted against going to war two days ago, but today Scotland is at war, how would you feel if Scotland decided when England goes to war? All we want is to control our own country, its not anti-English or anything to do with England, I wouldn't want France or Uruguay controlling Scotland either that doesn't make me anti-French. English people just don't seem to get it, and its so obvious, I think if you thought about it for a fraction of a second you'd completely agree, and in our position would want independence too.

 

Where exactly? And you don't know what my qualifications are.

 

There are all sorts of laws and precedents that apply, international law isn't one code or constitution, it develops over decades. But the most recent, particular piece of legislation that applies is the Vienna Convention of 1983. Nobody disputed this during the campaign, the UK government readily and openly accepted this is the case, this is what I mean about English people being so affronted by Scottish independence smart people put forward stupid arguments against it. This is nonsense, if you want to discuss it act like an adult, this is the last post I will make in reply to this particular matter.

http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/3_3_1983.pdf

Another example of why we want to leave, some of us anyway, the EU referendum. Its essentially irrelevant how Scotland votes, if England votes to leave we will be hauled out of the EU against our will. Polling right now shows Scotland voting to stay, England to leave, and the UK as a whole to leave. How would you feel about that? Scotland deciding England leaves the EU even though England votes to stay?

 

Which law?

That would be pretty unusual for the UN to decide (which it can't) the division of military equipment.

Why do you keep making assumptions about my nationality? And I don't imagine people would mind that much.

Don't think that there would be rioting. And no the Tories aren't running Scotland.

Wouldn't be the first time that Scot's and Scotland has determined English decisions.

That's not what I've seen. It is very much motivated by the classic sense of Anglophobia which Scots have had.

 

Yeah, as I thought, you are incapable of acting like an adult when discussing this subject and tell blatant lies and resort to racist smears. On ignore.

 

Which doesn't support your claim. Nor has it been ratified by the British government.
There is nothing specific to military equipment and even then it simply states that the respective states should negotiate.

I only asked you a question.

I would be fine with it. I don't trust polls usually because at the most its done online and out of a thousand people

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What?
Where have I lied?
And where have I been racist?
All I asked was a question.

Sigh as usual; people go crazy when you give them an answer they don't like.
Intolerance

 

Yes your comments are ignorant. To think that an Independent Scotland would be impervious to radical Islam, just because you may not bomb Syria; is just more evidence of your ignorance. So you think that that radical Islam will like you any more for your views against bombing IS than they hate you for your ideas of Democratic views of what is moral? Based upon our Christian-Jedaic heritage of centuries in our Nation?

No they won't ... So stop being such an ignorant fool and wake up to the real threat. The UNION is our friend and the temporary SNP socialist policies (only recently adopted to win votes) is just as much a shame as any political ideology is.

The SNP is the worst kind of Political party, one that changes it's ideology to suite the current political weather. They were Tories, not so many years ago, as were may Scots... They are now nu-Socialsts just to capture the ignorant fools as yourself to vote for them.

 

Straw-man argument, not once did I say Scotland would be impervious to radical Islam.

The union is our friend to a raging British nationalist like you, to me its the enemy. It has never been good for Scotland, never was intended to be and never will be. The union depends on Scotland not prospering.

The SNP have never been remotely Tory, thats a lie, borne out of your ignorance. Labour supporters called them that after Thatcher came to power, it was never based on any policy just a lazy smear. The SNP OWN politics in Scotland now, they are the establishment. Independence is only a matter of time, and it is both whats best for Scotland and what Scotland deserves.