Trump: "I Want To Build Biggest Military On Earth So We Won't Have To Use It"

Or maybe they decided to divert money to pay for circuses and free bread and surrendering hard won victories like Obama instead of keeping up the capabilities of their armed forces.

 

What the rest of the World Spends has no bearing at all. By this logic we shouldnt take in any more immigrants either, as we already do more than anyone else yearly.

 

I agree. Of course it is loaded with pork, just like other budgets politicians make. I seem to recall $400Billion+ F-35 airplane boondoggle. I'm all for innovation, but when we spend that much money and still don't have a workable plane, something is very wrong somewhere.

Love the term "congresscritters" btw.. haha

 

Conventional military power does not deter unconventional warfare.

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I support Obama?

 

It's far from being a small-government, fiscally conservative policy, too. I always have to wonder at conservatives who seem to miss this contradiction when they cheer for more military.

 

Apparently you've never heard of the Uighurs...or Taiwan...or Vietnam.

 

And yet, actual military spending is still well less than 3% of GDP. During President Kennedy's time, it was 48 % of the entire federal budget and nearly 9% of GDP. I'm not too worried about military spending being too large. I am far more worried about overall federal spending being too large and too much of a percent of GDP.

 

Well Reagan called it "Peace through strength." It actually works.

You do know why Al Qaeda declared war on America in 1996 and why Bin Laden believed he could get away of attacking America on it's own soil and believing America's only response would be Tomahawk cruise missiles ?

It's all in Osama bin Laden's declaration of war against the USA, Bin Laden's first Fatwa.

In layman terms, Bill Clinton was a panty waist. Clinton had the talk but not the walk. Clinton and the liberals in Congress had over down sized the Reagan military by 1/3. Bin Laden believed that America had become a paper tiger.

Unknown at the time, Bin Laden didn't know that G.W. Bush would become POTUS and Bush wasn't a panty waist and had the talk and the walk.

Excerpt from Bin Laden's first Fatwa :

 

He is absolutely right. The crazy Islamists aren't our only enemy and dealing with them is much different than a State/State conflict, we need to be prepared for both.

With States it takes superior strength to prevail on the battlefield, it takes overwhelming strength to prevail at the negotiating table. Trump is a negotiator, this is exactly what I expected from him.

 

I don't know anyone on the Right who subscribes to that nonsense.

Setting aside his fondness for Islamists, the main reason Obama has been unable to destroy, much less contain, Caliph Ibrahim's death cult is because he has relied almost exclusively on air power to annihilate them. That is also why Libya is an anarchic, jihadist-infested (*)(*)(*)(*)hole right now.

The only people who have been successful against jihadists have been the ones who have been willing to dig them out and kill them the old fashioned way - on the ground. If anyone has subscribed to the notion that we need gold-plated football field sized bombers that cost a trillion dollars a piece to "defeat the terrorists" it's people like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and like-minded individuals on the Left who wishfully think that lobbing a few Tomahawks and JDAMs at them will magically get the job done, and get it done on the cheap.

 

1. We out thought and out muscled them in the end. The USA greatly improved the chances of that and we suffered very heavy consequences, but that is war and the good thing is those men did not die in vain. But yes the superior numbers and equipment had much to do with it. Also lets not forget the power we unleashed on Japan, which also demoralized Germans. Our bombing raids on Germany , etc. etc. But we did not win the war alone.

2.I agree with this, a lot of our money is used horribly for crap that will not help. We need a President that will make sure our spending on military is done more efficiently to better train and arm our troops. Really do things that will help and support our troops with what they really need to fight.

And to be honest, that is the problem with politicians all together, none of them truly give a damn how our money is used, which is why we are in so much debt.

 

By outproducing, outgunning and outmanning the opposition...

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If you call those soviet era rust bucket a navy...

 

Great...so why will NO Republican run for President saying...

"To hell with drones and pin-prick strikes...I'm going to mount a 500,000 troop army...land them in Syria...and march them thru to Iraq....then Iran...then Pakistan...and only stop at the Indian border when we've killed "in the old fashioned way" ...every member of ISIS."?

Why is it all just vague and nebuluous "I'll git tuff" and "I'll carpet-bomb sand into glass" and "Obama sucks" stuff?

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Exactly....superior numbers.

 

It does if you take no quarters. Hard to fight back when you're dead.

 

Thats just new, it's not like it is fully functioning like ours or the UK's . They arent up to spec yet and couldnt even attempt to try anything on a global scale. But when they do, which they are working on, everything is going to change.

China's biggest strength at the moment is the unlimited waves of soldiers they can send at people on their own turf. They do not have the Navy that can transport troops efficiently.

 

And in the case of the japanese, superior tech also.

 

Our military spending, as a percent of the budget, is only down about 3% from what it was during the mid-2000's when we were fighting two far-away wars.

We have the best of everything militarily - Navy, Air Force, Soldiers, and Marines. They are the best trained and best equipped in the world. If ever we have some national security issue that tells us we need to ramp up on something, we possess the infrastructure to do that very rapidly.

And we have another thing that no other country has like us. It's boring, but it's logistics. We can actually export our military power to anywhere in the world. We are truly the military logistics undisputed champions. Let's see the Chinese actually deploy and sustain their military power to Africa or South America. They may have a 2.8 million people in their army, but let's see them send it anywhere on the other side of the world from them and sustain it. Same with Russia. I don't think either could do it.

As far as Trump's statement goes, I'm unbothered. Find one candidate that wants the U.S. to have a weak military. They all want a strong military. Military spending is set by Congress anyway.

To address the problem of terrorism, we don't need another division of soldiers or Marines. We should invest in intelligence capability and counter-terror measures. And we should kick the tar out of ISIS which we're gradually doing.

My two cents ...

 

Beside the initial surprise, that tactic didn't work for them in Korea and Vietnam in the end.

 

His movement morphed to AQI and then ISIL, which is now carving out a new caliphate.

And, YOU say he failed? He didn't dare dream that much success.

I suspect things did not turn out the way OBL thought they would. His primary desire was the overthrow of the ridiculous government of Saudi Arabia - his homeland. He believed that could not happen without confronting the US, as we have been such major supporters of that criminal regime.

As for the Reagan thing, the world is VERY different from the world of Reagan. His primary concern was to cause NATIONS to not go crazy. Today, our major opposition is not nations, but flexible, rapidly moving stateless entities. That is a major difference, as the leaders of states have a lot to lose (their states) so they are susceptible to diplomatic means and the threat posed by massive military. Terrorist groups don't have that to worry about.


AQI was successful against the US military at its peak in Iraq until we got the Sunnis to support us. We didn't need a more powerful military - we needed the hearts and minds of the people. Since we don't have that today, we're making little to no progress. Anywhere.

I'm not opposed to our military, but any rational analysis shows that there are things besides our military that are absolute requirements, and we need to work on those, because THAT is where we lose.

 

How do you do that without murdering lots of innocent bystanders and his causing blowback in regions that aren't even near the place where you attack?

 

Al Qaeda was never about taking ground and holding it, it has always been about killing the infidials, especially Americans, but any Christian or Jew will do.

Now Isil which splintered from Al Qaeda is all about taking territory and holding it, hoping to draw in the Western armies for the final battle.

 

You and the rest of your ilk forget that when we attacked Iraq which had no Al Qaeda the latter infiltrated and overran Iraq which now is the home of ISIS and other terrorist groups. When we intervened militarily in Libya which had no Al Qaeda the latter and other jihadists came in. And now Libya is a mess. Al Qaeda is overrunning the Middle East despite all our military efforts, despite all the GPS-guided missiles! Now ISIS and other jihadists are overrunning Europe. You guys need to read Professor Andrew Bacevich's enlightening article: The End of Military History. He was a Vietnam Veteran and lost his son in the Iraq war.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-bacevich/the-end-of-military-histo_b_663548.html

[video=youtube;j6N8l8DMu3M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6N8l8DMu3M[/video]

 

Ummmm …

The USA is today the sole global imperial super power …

We already HAVE the most potent strong high-tech battle-hardened military on Earth …

We have more aircraft carrier battle groups than all the other nations COMBINED …

I mean, really …
Ask any of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, "If you could trade our military for that of any other country, whose would you choose … ???" Burkina Faso … ???

 

which is where the killing families thing comes in

 

Good to know that we're going to build the greatest military on the planet under Trump. Where does the greatest military currently exist?