Proof democrats are running scared

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    The bolded: that is a statistical lie.

    The four closest states that Obama won in 2012:

    Florida (Obama +0.88%), +74,309 votes
    Ohio (Obama +2.97%), +166,272 votes
    Virginia (Obama +3.87%), +149,298 votes
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    Colorado (Obama +5.36%), +137,859 votes

    Total: +527,738 raw votes

    Even a small schoolchild can see that 527,738 is not "around 300,000 votes". Get your facts straight.

    Furthermore, Romney just barely pulled North Carolina back over the line:

    North Carolina (Romney +2.04), +92,004

    So, of the four closest states of 2012, one of them was a Romney state. You seem to have forgotten this important statistic. What a shame.

    Furthermore, as of Colorado, Obama was over the +5% mark. Take away three states that Obama won with less than +5 on election night 2012, then he still comes in at 272 EV. Even without the dreadnaught states of FL, OH and VA, he still would have won.

    Furthermore, Obama's 2012 Ohio re-election margin (Obama +2.97%) is still considerably larger than Bush 43's 2004 re-election margin (Bush +2.11%) and Obama's 2012 Colorado re-election margin (Obama +5.36%) is larger than Bush's 2004 re-election margin (Bush +4.68%). Obama also, when you compare re-election to re-election, Obama vastly outperformed Bush 43's statistics in both Nevada (Obama +6.68%, Bush +2.59%) and New Mexico (Obama +10.15%, Bush +0.79%)

    Math is not on your side in this argument that you presented and next time, you may want to actually look at REAL numbers before simply stating a sum. Because I will catch those lies every single time.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Demoghaphics mean nothing in elections. Each side has roughly 47% of registered voters so turnout means everything. Out of the remaining 6%, 4% of them are single issue voters leaving only 2% as true independents who can be swayed either way.
     
  3. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. Demographics mean everything in elections. People who actually win elections know this easy to learn fact.
     
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    Sorry but you didn't actually provide any proof of anything.
     
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    One would assume that you are aware that being registered with a political party does not actually require you to vote for that parties candidates in an election.
     
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    Well you at least have to give the Republicans credit for learning what hasn't worked in the past. It is good to see them developing new idiocies to try to motivate the Republican fruit loop base. And what could be better than a new Subset of humanity for Republicans to hate and fear. And the good thing about targeting foreigners as opposed to gays or prochoice people is that foreigners can't vote in US elections so you can promote hate and fear without alienating a potential voting block.
     
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    Yeah. I don't think the Party is running scared. It's possible the GOP wins the general election. But I don't think the party is particularly scared.
     
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    The overwhelming majority of Democrats know that Hillary is not going to be indicted.
     
  9. doombug

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    The dems should have made more of an effort to get Biden to run. Maybe he is not "clean and articulate" enough. Hahahaha!
     
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    Ironic!

    2014 was an off-off year election where open blue senate seats were in red states and there was a very low turnout. The senate will probably swing back towards in the Dems in 2016 because it is a GE year and the open red seats are in blue states.

    As far as governor and state legislatures goes those too are about to swing back to Dems because the demographic tide is changing the electorate. The oldest Boomers turn 70 this year and the Hispanics are a growing voting bloc that has been largely alienated by the GOP.
     
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    Demographics mean a great deal to elections. This is the penultimate Boomer GE when they can all still vote. After 2020 Boomers will be reaching their sell by date on average by about 4 million a year. That means that there will be 20% fewer Boomers voting in 2024 and yes, that will have a huge impact on the result.

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    http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...importance-of-the-latino-vote-in-three-charts

    Seven out of ten Hispanics vote Dem so with a growing voter base compared to the shrinking GOP voter base the odds of a Republican candidate winning the WH without a major change in the policy platform are slim and none in the next decade.
     
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    Basic facts

    republicans are the party of bitter white Christians, they have alienated minorities and without a sizable Latino vote you are toast as a national party. 2015 only 46 percent of the country are white Christians down 9 percentage points from 2007 and every year shrinking , on every social issue republicans have lost

    http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/markos-moulitas/306395-demographic-shift-hits-gop-

    http://www.salon.com/2014/11/05/enjoy_it_while_it_lasts_gop_base_is_still_white_and_aging/

    And going foward

    The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...abies-are-no-longer-mostly-non-hispanic-white

    :eyepopping:
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No--------------they dont KNOW that. They are hoping against hope that she wont be, but deep down inside they know she should be.
     
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    "progressives" are also scared that Hilary will win. After a life of open corruption, and getting away with it, imagine what such an incredibly corrupt and dishonest person who is above the law will do as President. Not only will she destroy the nation, she will destroy the Democrat brand for decades.
     
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    Republicans’ 2016 math problem, explained in two charts


    The 2016 electorate, demographically speaking, will be worse for Republicans than 2012. And unless Republicans can begin winning more of the nonwhite vote, the 2020 election will be worse for the party than the 2016 election. And 2024 will be worse than, well, you get the idea.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...truth-facing-republicans-in-2016-in-2-charts/

    :smoking:

    angrywhiteguys.jpg
     
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    Red States Outnumber Blue for First Time in Gallup Tracking
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/188969/red-states-outnumber-blue-first-time-gallup-tracking.aspx

    you really need to learn the difference between wishfully thinking and the facts
    there is a sift alright but in the opposite direction you have been lied to about
    what both of you failed to realize. most youth start out as liberal but once they go out into the real word and realize all that liberal crap they was taught in school was nothing but lies they grow up and become adults and vote what works and that is republican
    and one other thing Obama will go down in history as the Jimmy Carter of this generation just as Jimmy Carter did he showed what failure liberalism is
     
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    :roflol:

    Self disqualification from any further meaningful participation by invoking Godwin's law.
     
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    If anyone wants to see some bitter old white people just look at the democratic party candidates.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/voter-conservative-aging-liberal-120119.htm

    http://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html

     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    The 2012 electorate was 72% White. It dropped 3%, from 75% White in 2008, to 72% in 2012. It has dropped almost every single cycle quite consistently since 1972, usually at a rate of circa 2%. In only one cycle, either 1992 or 1996, it did not drop. The American electorate has gone from being 90% white in 1972 to 72% White within 40 years time. That is a verifiable 18% drop over just 2 American generations.

    Meanwhile, in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, California, Oregon and Georgia (yes, Georgia), just oodles of US-Americans of Latino descent will reach voting age before the November elections.

    Best case scenario for the White Vote in 2016 is to hold at 72%, but it is likely to sink to between 69%-71%, more likely than not, will land at 70%.

    Romney got almost 60% of the White Vote in 2012 and still lost nationally by 3.86% to Pres. Obama. The highest a Republican has scored in the White vote since 1952 was Reagan, with 66% of the White Vote, in 1984. The stats don't really go back any farther but it doesn't matter: before 1952, the US-electorate was surely between 95-99% white and no candidate before 1964 has won with more than 60.8% of the overall popular vote, so even Harding, who beat Cox by 26 points in 1920, probably only got 63% of the White vote. There is absolutely no sign on the horizon that the GOP will get even close to 66% of the White Vote nationally, especially with former SOS Hillary Clinton as the DEM nominee, because she will trump Trump in the womens' vote, also among White women. Against Hillary, the GOP will be lucky to get to 55% of the White vote, if at all.

    With the horrible turds that have been flying at the US-Latino community, especially of the last 8 years, and most intensively since Donald Trump announced his candidacy, I suspect that Hillary will top Obama's 71% of the Latino vote from 2012 and come closer to 77%-80%. In at least 3 ABC/WAPO national polls, Trump has come in at about 15% of the Latino vote and if polling from 2012 is our guide (it was mostly very good in 2012), Romney underperformed his Latino vote aggregate on election night, so Trump could fare even worse than the current statistics suggest. This automatically takes New Mexico, Nevada and likely, Colorado off the table for the GOP. Those three states alone are worth more EV (20), than Ohio.

    People who think that US-Latinos have not been paying attention are fooling themselves.

    If the GOP doesn't start to make real inroads with minorities (Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Pacific Islanders, American Indian) and also with certain ethnicities (Jews, Buddhists, Muslims) and some cultural groups (gays), then the GOP is toast.

    For at the end of the day, it is simple math.

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    A sift?? What the hell is a sift?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I presume Hillary's serial lies dont bother you at all---------------right?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They dont get much more bitter than Hillary!!!!! She already bought her dress for what she thot was going to be her coronation, but her actions and lies put a road block on that. Now an old commie is about to trounce her in NH, and boy is she bitter!!!!!!
     
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    Bernie Sanders is not a communist.
    Education can cure this kind of ignorance.
     

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