Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Is Warning Americans About Donald Trump

The leaders of the Catholic Church was held responsible for the failings of that organisation in addressing the abuse. Christianity was not held accountable for the abuse committed by Christians. Nobody talked about banning Christian immigrants because they’re all going to rape our children.

 

Lol...This coming from ted nugent fanboys is hilarious.

 

You know what Kareem has that you guys don't? (I mean other than a hall of fame career, and a few novels under his belt)
He writes in a cogent, thoughtful matter. He advocates with very crisp, and well written articles. Makes the lot of you look like real knuckle draggers. You may chose to disagree with him, but I suggest you actually read his writing before dismissing him without knowing anything about his intellectual achievements. Kind of funny that the right prides itself for championing people outside of the system (palin and trump) are now trying to write off Jabbar because he is outside of the system.
You probably really disagree with his politics, but he has the merit of defending his beleifs with class and intellect.
As opposed to you guys

 

What abuse committed by christians are you talking about? Failing to mention details is a sure sign of a false statement.

 

Jabar can shove it. I refuse to live in the fantasy world of the left just to placate muslims. Common sense beats ideology any day and putting a halt on muslims coming to the US until authorities can get it together is a great idea. Unfortunately we will have to wait until the Jihadi synpathizer is out of the white house.

 

Islam is a religion. You are entitled to your opinion they are "just another bunch of nuts". But it's a religion.

 

The abuse committed by (some) Catholic priests (i.e. Christians) and the subsequent cover-ups by others in the Church for that matter. The point is that there are Christians who commit crimes in the same way that there are Muslims who commit crimes. The former isn’t blamed on Christianity in general or laid at the door of all Christians to resolve. Some Shia Muslim living peacefully in Indonesia is no more responsible for a Wahhabi terrorist in Syria than a Protestant living peacefully in Washington is for a Catholic child abuser in Mexico.

 

You are wrong. The Catholic Church was held responsible for abusive priests even though Christianity does not condone this kind of abuse. Today there is an organized effort to inflict death and destruction on the entire world based on Islam. There was no organized effort to abuse children this was done by individual priests. There was an effort to ignore the abuse.

Ok, now follow this. There is an organized effort to inflict death and destruction on the world based on the teachings of the Islamic faith and there is an effort to ignore it. Where is the difference other than the Muslim issue is far more serious?

 

The point is that with the child abuse cover-up, it was the Catholic Church which was responsible so the Catholic Church was blamed. Nobody was saying Christianity had to deal with it.

Here we have various groups of Islamic terrorists and extremists who are responsible for their crimes yet the line is that all of Islam (which includes many of the victims) are somehow responsible.

This is symptomatic of a general ignorance (often wilful ignorance) about Islam where it is presumed to be some kind of singular doctrine when in truth it’s at least as diverse, segmented and full or internal disagreements as Christianity.

 

There is some of that fantasy I mentioned earlier. No one is saying all of Islam is responsible for the terrorism. The virtual silence of all of Islam on the matter is questionable just like the silence of the Catholic Church was questionable. Having a few muslims speak up does not cut it and being lectured by some nitwit like Jabbar does not either.

Not everyone is naive. The hypocrisy by the left on this topic only shows how bigoted they are toward Christianity and what Jihadi sympathizers they are. Trying to convince everyone that Islamic terrorism is something different than what it is, is called gaslighting. That is where an abuser tries to convince their victim what is happening to them is not actually happening.

 

Except that in this very thread you said “…so it is time to hold Islam accountable for Islamic terrorism”.

You’re still not comparing like with like. If you’re condemning all Islam for silence over the terrorism, why don’t you condemn all Christianity for silence over the child abuse?

Muslims do speak up against terrorism. They’re usually ignored by the media, dismissed by people like you and threated by the actual terrorists so it typically achieves very little. The terrorists already know lots of other Muslims disagree with them on religious grounds and these conflicts are as much political as religious anyway. That’s why other Muslims are so often their targets and why so many other Muslims are involved in fighting against the terrorists. If this was simply Islam against everyone else, they’d have complete control of the whole of North Africa and the Middle East. In truth it’s a much more complex and multi-faceted set of conflicts of which religion is just one aspect.

 

the incidents of muslim terrorism are more widespread though.

 

It would be unconstitutional to ban US citizens from entering the country if their religious preference was Islam. Trump's ban would include not only new immigrants and nonimmigrants, but LPR's and US citizens. It violates the due process clause of the 14th amendment.

 

There are Muslim nutcases . . . and there are Christian, Buddhist, Wiccan, Jewish, Jain, Sikh, Unitarian, etc. nutcases. There are also plenty Muslims who are perfectly peaceful and who have a higher regard for the Constitution than do lunatics like Trump.

 

That is not negating freedom of speech at all. On the contrary, telling people to shut up, be quiet, or other phrases (typical Trump over reactionary rhetoric) because their point of view is not your point of view stifles freedom of speech more than any other avenue.

 

Sure as compared to holding Catholics responsible for abusive priests.

Because it was Catholic priests doing the abusing and Christianity does not teach this.

You disqualified your last statement with the first sentence which is a false statement.

- - - Updated - - -

Show where Trump has proposed keeping US citizens out.

- - - Updated - - -

Please give an example of any organized effort to inflict death and destruction by Buddhists.

 

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/bodu-bala-sena
http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/democratic-karen-buddhist-army-dkba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/

I'm Buddhist myself, and I obviously don't believe these guys are practicing true Buddhism, but yes, there are violent Buddhists.

 

Trump's own campaign web site says

What do you think it means total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States? This is from Trump's own web site.

 

The First Barbary War (1801-1805) was the first overseas war fought by the United States. It happened during the Presidency of Thomas Jefferson. Also known as the Barbary Coast War or the Tripolitan War, it pitted the United States against pirates from the nations known collectively as the Barbary States:

Algiers
Morocco
Tunis
Tripoli

The incident arose over tributes that were customarily paid to these nations by U.S traders. In 1801, Tripoli increased demands for payment. President Jefferson refused the demand and Tripoli declared war on the United States by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate.

Congress authorized the use of military force for the protection of American interests in the Mediterranean. On August 1, 1801, the USS Enterprise defeated the Tripoli at sea. In 1802, Jefferson increased the presence of hte Navy in the area by deploying additional ships under the command of Commodore Edward Preble.

On July 14, 1804, under Preble's command, the Navy attacked Tripoli, but the most famous event of the war occurred in April and May of 1805 with the Battle of Derma. General William Eaton and First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon led a force of eight Marines and 500 mercenaries from Alexandria, Egypt across the desert to the city of Derma, which they laid siege to. Upon their victory, the American flag was raised. This marked the first time it had been done in victory on foreign soil.

The events of the First Barbary War are memorialized by the line in the Marine's Hymm, "the shores of Tripoli" and the Tripoli Monument that stands at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

 

Trump promises to take no crap off the Medievalists and deals with the misperception that he is harder on women than men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQWA8Fhp3ug

 

What does religion have to do with blocking foreigners from terrorist regions? Do you think it hurts or helps that all ISIS people are proclaimed muslims that are following the koran?

 

Poor Abdul, scammed by the pro-terrorism SJWs into thinking stopping the influx if un-vetted "refugees" somehow translates to banning Muslims.

How foolish can someone be to have fallen for such a con?

 

The difference you're comparing is like the drunk vs the drunk driver. Which do you fear more?

 

Foreign muslims that aren't in the US.

 

Which has nothing to do with Trump's position. Or this thread even. But as you raise a Founder's name, without any other reference to substantiate such, let us look at some of what the Founders did say about Islam:

Here is some of the text of a letter written by Jefferson and John Adams to John Jay in 1786, as they first explored a "treaty" with the Ambassador of Tripoli while in Versailles.

Jefferson was most certainly not a proponent of the "religious freedom" of Muslims.