Stalin's tomb in red flowers

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    1. If you read the story, you know that in 1931 Stalin had no full power.
    In 1931 Stalin held the position First Secretary of the CPSU (b). Also you need to know about the factional struggle in those years. Such as the Trotsky-Zinoviev opposition or "Right deviation" supporters of Bukharin. But it was still difficult. (as it is now in the Parliament of Ukraine)

    2. About Christ the Savior Cathedral.
    After the October Revolution and the beginning of the persecution, of the Church temple was handed over to the Bolsheviks in keeping Renovationist "Supreme Ecclesiastical Authority" Metropolitan Antonina and subsequently Renovationist "Holy Synod" - until the closing of the temple in 1931, rector of the church in those days was one of the leaders Renovationism of the Metropolitan Alexander Vvedensky.

    One can have different opinions about the architectural merits of the project K. Tona, but the Russian people, to respect their history, saw in Christ the Savior Cathedral symbol of glorious victories of historical Russia and the memory of the soldiers who died, "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland". This value, the majestic temple in the city center, next to the Kremlin is not haunted Judeo Bolshevik management. As acknowledged by Trotsky in his autobiography, "My Life," he saw in Russian architecture, ancient temples of the Kremlin, even in the Tsar Cannon and Tsar Bell - "heavy Muscovite barbarism." And in addition to Trotsky, this feeling was shared by many members of the Central Committee and the government.

    Especially in this field, the destruction of historical monuments, famous - member of the Political Bureau, of the Jew LM Kaganovich. At his insistence, and under the decision of the Central Committee CPSU (b) Stalin June 2, 1931 was signed (according to his office, he had to sign the decision of the Party Central Committee) disposal of the Central Committee CPSU (b) destroy temple-monument to military glory, with the hated for Judeo Bolshevik the name of Christ.

    By the way, entirety of the power of Stalin can only speak from 1939. And even in this case - with reservations.
     
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    Good time for fairy tales?
     
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    Unfortunately that's not true. The battle of Moscow took place in the winter 1941-1942 when the US supplies for USSR were very insignificant. One may say they even didn't start.

    USSR started war against Japan according to the appeal of the United States.
    Whose fault that you couldn't manage the Japanese who flew wooden fighters until the very end of war?
     
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    This is not a tales. These are symptoms of medical textbooks.
     
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    Actually, equality and inequality are the same things. A division into higher and lower classes on one side, a destruction of classes on the opposite ,a division of nations into higher and lower on one side, internationalism on the opposite - no difference,of course.
     
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    I did not live by any Russians in the Hollywood Hills. They lived more between Hollywood & downtown L.A.

    Lenin , Marx, Stalin
    Anyone who knows anything should talk Trotsky. :rant: The real hero of the revolution.

    The other problem is understanding what a "soviet" is.
    As best as I can tell it is like a committee. There would be labor soviets. Farmer soviets. All sorts of soviets who would percolate up problems/solutions to the next more central soviet and on up the ladder.
    With the stresses of the civil war, it became more trickle down from the central party and never returned to the ideal.

    Living in the Hollywood Hills from '54 - '64 I did not fully understand the Blacklist although I kinda knew some of my parents party mingling included the whispers. Will Geer, Grandpa Walton made the Black List.

    KTLA Channel 5 was an independent station - advanced, first live broadcast from a helicopter,
    broadcast Khrushchev's visit and the "roasts" before such a term was popular. I remember the obvious good humor as some old Hollywood producer stood up and said, I was born in a little village in Ukraine and today I run the most powerful studio in Hollywood. K stood and said, with translator, I was born in a little village in Ukraine and today I run the most powerful nation in the world. It was humor, not "we will bury you" which was an economic statement, not warism. It was how the nation could have someone from a little village in Ukraine could afford such opportunities - competitively jibbing.
    Closest thing I can remember is Sadat flying to Tel Aviv and speaking to the Israeli parliament.
    What a party that was. :woot: And on live TV. They don't make history like that anymore.

    I believe Khrushchev sought detente and was rebuffed.
    He was even refused "Disneyland" (security reasons, bull! - he was in parades)

    PS The defensive line. They are paranoid about another Great Patriotic War that cost them dearly that Americans don't seem to comprende.


    Moi :oldman:

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    [video=youtube;gXZVhKvvMVU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXZVhKvvMVU[/video]

    America was so lucky to have had a successful revolution.
    Consider, France, Russia, China, etc.
    God Blessed America
     
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    i wish i can send those crazy pigs all back to Stalin times, in a village in Central muscovy , where people even did not have passports, and got no money for work (live slave life )
     
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    All the crazy pigs live in the Baltic States. The fact that they have no brain I'll prove it. Take for example the Latvians. (The rest of the inhabitants of the Baltic states are the same in its development)
    1. Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) revenge the Soviet regime ... the one that gave them statehood. Bloodless presented, mind you, without colonial wars. Neither the Germans nor the Swedes, nor the Anglo-Saxons did not allow such liberties and are not going to tolerate. Would not be the Soviet era - was not and Latvia (Lithuania, Estonia) as an independent state. And for that - for the resulting statehood for free - hate Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) Soviet times and it is now taking revenge ... Brad, is not it?
    2. Soviet authorities gave statehood Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians), but the Latvians revenge for this - Russia and Russian ... It's more interesting. ...The Soviet government took away Russian territory, gave them to the Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians), making Russian in these areas - derelict.... And now Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) revenge for it Russia and Russian for what took away from them the Soviet regime and the leave-taking Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) ... Marasmus was intense...
    3. Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) revenge for the Soviet era Russian children, who in the eye is the Soviet period did not see.

    Not to be unfounded, I will give a couple of specific cases, which confirms the above:

    1. During the Second World Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) fanatically fought for Hitler, who in any form Latvian (Lithuania, Estonia) statehood did not want to know, against those who gave them this statehood.
    2. Immediately after the collapse of the USSR Latvians (Lithuanians, Estonians) pulled down the statue of Lenin, which gave them statehood. And, eg Latvians, established monument knight Roland, who did not consider them human. Few people know that in times of Roland Latvians could in Riga only come in the morning and had to leave in the evening, that is, only in the form of a servant ...

    We are built in a logical chain of facts that proves that Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians - have no brain. I think that the knight Roland was right in relation to these personage.
     
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    The USSR was well protected from any invasion from Europe until moved it evacuated its fortified defensive line to occupy Romania - of all places. Now look at a map of Europe and the borders of Romania and imagibe what would happen to a massive Soviet force there under attack.

    The Pact led directly to the occupation of much of the USSR. Then research US industrial and logistics assistance to the USSR, and you will have a better picture of what it took to save the USSR from Stalin's amazing blunders starting with the purge of almost all of his veteran military commanders before the humiliation in Finland.
     
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    Russians? Of course not. Communists? Plenty of Communist wannabes in Hollywood Hills.

    The real heroes of the revolution were the Kronstadt sailors. Trotsky certainly deal with them.

    I agree with you regarding Khrushchev. His visit was a squandered opportunity. His speech during the 50th party Congress was a watershed event. American anticommunists were simply not prepared to deal with a real Bolshevik revolutionary. Like McCarthy, they were confused. They apparently thought the idiot Hollywood American "Left" was the real McCoy

    The other missed opportunity to avoid great pain, suffering and death involved our relationship with the Vietnamese Communists during WW II. They were very pro-American.
     
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    The 50th party Congress was really a watershed event considering that the last CPSU Congress was 28th.You really know Soviet history better than Russians so you should teach it each and everyone here, and most of all Russians.
     
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    Just an idle memory. Thanks for correcting the number - in advance. ;-)

    I have looked extensively into Russian history, but It is not a major focus of interest. It is odd that so many Russians seem to know less about their own history than I do - given that I am far from an expert.
     
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    That's what you get for adopting "them vs us" mentality.

    All communistsales were the enemy. I wasn't really Russia that the west was fighting. It was communism.


    Communism was spreading rapidly and if it wasn't for regime change and other efforts employed by the west, communism might have won. Russia was simply the biggest communist power.
     
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    Stalin was never Hitler's ally. They had simply signed a non-aggression pact in the 1930's because Hitler wanted to invade Poland and so did Stalin, so they agreed to the Nazi-soviet pact which allowed them to split Poland, and also let the soviets expand west further while the Nazi's went north and west as well. There was never an instance of Nazis' and Soviet's fight together in the same battle or sharing occupied territory, and this is also why Hitler invaded the U.S.S.R because he believed that they were weak in their communistic government and refusal to join him and Mussolini :who he also somewhat hated for being a weak coward with his military)
     
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    Actually, both are authoritarian statists and in the political spectrum much closer than they are different. Both are shameful ideologies with high body counts.
     
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    For a time, they were two wolves agreeing to work together to hunt sheep.
     
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    I'm sorry but there's no way I could actually reply to this without getting banned because that was just (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded.
     
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    If the USSR - Russia hasn't helped the US with fight against Japanese, having destroyed the Japanese army in one month - is sure, the US would fight with the kamikaze's Japanese, it is a lot more years and according by American sources one million American soldiers possible would die.
     
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    yeh man, this way how olgino trolls behave in the internet ...provoking ordinary people by taping total nonsense , behind 100th conspiracy narratives ...
     
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    you really dont remember Nagasaki city? or its just an instruction in your short manual ?
     
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    Allied powers of the anti-fascist coalition, despite some divergences concerning warfare and a post-war peace arrangement, were uniform in the aspiration to inflict defeat over Japan.

    Allies recognized crucial importance of the entry of the USSR in war against Japan. They declared that only the Red Army is capable to inflict defeat over land forces of the Japanese militarists - Kwantung Army...
     
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    Marxist theory especially as expressed by lenin was an effort to perfect the American Revolution and also what they perceived as the UK model of relatively small benign limited government. Perhaps the greatest mistake of Marx and Lenin was their confidence that the armed workers could check the expansion of government power. Predictably Marxist theory became a vehicle for the installation of national socialist tyrants.

    You are right Russia, like Vietnam, are among the few nations that have an apparently built in affinity for the US.
     
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    I was just discussing with a Vietnamese lady friend who hates "Uncle Ho"
    of how the West ignored him at the Treaty of Paris (1919) and what you point out above.
    No place to turn for help except the USSR!
    Had the West not supported French colonialism, lots of blood would not have been spilled.

    Yes regarding the sailors.

    Trotsky saved the Reds from the Whites and some their allies, America occupying Archangel, Japan in the East. And all sorts of Western armies not coordinating well with the Whites.
    Even today, young Russians interested in History do not know Trotsky.

    Moi :oldman:

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    Yeah, Russian revolution is much inferior to American. It didn't bring 100 years of slavery,it didn't bring Indian genocide. Instead of it socialist tyrants destroyed social inequality and exploitation of man by man,bastards!
     

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