Why Are Progressives Afraid....

Your opinion is that Bernie Sanders is better than a democrats
Coming from a person that doesn't even know he is a socialist
person but doesn't appear to understand the separation of powers
I could go on but I am not trying to insult you but only point out to you that you're a opinion may not be valid

 

If you speak English I can understand you better.

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You haven't read my posts have you? I always identify as a democratic socialist on these boards. My opinion may not be valid? Explain.

 

I'm sorry, where did I say anything like that? Are you saying that any compromise will be bad for our nation?

You sound just like a conservative.

Reagan had a Democratic Congress and Obama had a Republican one. But sure, tell us what Reagan did to expand health care coverage, regulate banks, raise taxes on the richest, and lower taxes on the poorer.

 

Maybe you were expecting rainbows and unicorns.

I wasn't.

I think he's done a pretty good job considering what he has faced.

Welcome to the real world

 

You will be disappointed again if you think Sanders could bring about radical change. People give the president too much credit and too much blame. It is really congress that controls the country except for the military which the president has a lot of control over. Sanders will come in and maybe not appoint wall street guys but whoever he appoints will do pretty much the same things. And Sanders will do nothing congress does not approve of. We are a big powerful country. We move slowly. We are moving toward more socialist policies but this has to happen in stages. The young are always disappointed that the country can not change radically overnight. Change will come ....but it will take time.

 

Yes, compromise that gives conservatives what they want is BAD for the country. Wake up. This isn;t a game. Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent. Do you understand that fact?

 

Obama can NOT make the Bush tax cuts permanent. That is congress. Its called compromise

 

I said I don't know if Bernie will get anything he is saying, but he will TRY. That's all we can ask. Sanders will make executive orders when he can. I trust who he will have around him.

Obama literally sold us out.

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EXACTLY. He let the Bush tax cuts become permanent.

 

You *do* sound like a conservative.

Is that your belief? I recall that Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest were repealed while the tax cuts for lower/middle income families retained.

 

Then prepare to be sold out again. Sanders is a good man but so is Obama. You don't think he wanted more radical change? What do you think is his reason for compromise? You think he was bought off somehow. Unlikely. He just knows things happen in stages. He did what he can.

 

I don't know how much of a "betrayal" it actually was; most progressives I know are well aware of ANY candidate's propensities towards grandiose statements in pursuit of office. Bernie's not much different in that regard, as he'll have to contend with a Congress that'll fall all over itself setting up roadblocks to keep anything meaningful from seeing the light of day.

 

He can't have betrayed the left, because he was never part of it to begin with. It's a little like accusing David Beckham of "betraying" the Swedish national football team.

You had THAT high hopes for Obama? Really?

Maybe that's your problem; you had such high expectations that Obama couldn't possibly be anything other than a failure.

My expectations were more modest. He didn't invade two sovereign nations, killing tens of thousands of people. I mean, just doing that puts him pretty firmly in the "Plus" category as far as american presidents goes.

The PPACA was largely a bad idea, but again; he didn't invade two sovereign nations, killing tens of thousands of people.

 

What a joke
now You say you are a democratic socialist
But you're saying Bernie Sanders is a progressive
Well guess what Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialists

 

Ok that's funny. Since when does a free market fine you for not buying their product?

 

Yeah, if I fork over 85% of my hard earned to leeches who won't get off their lazy asses to work.

 

Uh.....what country takes 85% of your income? LOL

 

Bottom line, true answer, when you get right down to the nitty gritty even sycophant yes men advisors who do the analysis and run the numbers realize progressive policies are flawed. Once again they will never openly admit to the flaw but they must advise against it behind closed doors. They have based their entire political lives on it. Implementation of such policies would destroy that political power they have garnered.
Your blaming Obama when you should be looking at your entire ideology,,,,,,yourself,,,,,it's you who refuses to acknowledge, not Obama.

 

Uh.....no. Not true.

 

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but there has been plenty of criticism from the right that had nothing to do with ""socialist this" and "birth certificate" that." I just doubt you ran in the circles where you would come across it. But there has been lots of both public policy and foreign policy disagreements with him.

 

He's not a failed President, just an entirely different President from the candidate you supported. As a center-right neoliberal he has been succesful - continuing the consolidation of corporate oligarchy.

This was clear within weeks after the general election, even before he took office. The economic team he assembled for the transition left the progressives with a sense of dread, more than justified by the ensuing two terms.

 

I'm not surprised you would say that. Not surprised at all

So your one of those special people that believe every republican idea is wrong but every democrat socialist idea is correct. Thanks for proving my point.

 

Wow I don't ever remember saying that. Do we know each other? LOL

 

Really?

You mean the policies that got us out of The Great Depression...through WWII...and built the middle class?

Those "failed" policies?

We used to have a Depression about every ten years.

We haven't had one in about a hundred because of those "failed" policies

 

He was called "an empty suit" because despite his lofty language, he never actually said anything you could pin him down to. This has proven to be true.

Obamacare was roundly criticised for being unworkable, and this turned out to be true.

Yes, his nationality was called into question. Considering his desire to turn America into a dump for the human refuse of the third world, it's still a question as to where his loyalties lie. In fact, you could say that this is no longer questionable.

As for why his supporters can't admit they were wrong, I guess it's just human nature. Hell, there are still republicans that think Bush was a good president.

 

I've seen enough of your posts to extrapolate. Care to show me one I missed that proves otherwise?