Clinton Emails The FBI's Clinton email investigation reportedly centers around drone

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  1. raytri

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    If this is true, it basically blows up much of the right-wing criticism of Hillary over her email server:
    http://theweek.com/speedreads/62920...ation-reportedly-centers-around-drone-strikes

    These are the emails that were considered "top secret". Note that the CIA deliberately sent the messages via non-secure channels for time reasons. It was a CIA decision, not Clinton's.

    Here's the takeaway:

    Hey look, people in government making practical choices in order to do their jobs. How shameful!

    It was always stupid to try to blame Hillary for emails other people sent her.

    It was always stupid to try to blame Hillary for having an unsecure private email address, when her state.gov email address would have been EQUALLY unsecure.

    I told the Hillary haters this for months. But no, you guys were totally convinced she had deliberately and knowingly violated security laws for -- well, no plausible motive was ever provided. But it's Hillary! She does evil things because that's what she does!

    So yet another fake right-wing scandal blows up in their faces. There are legitimate criticisms around Hillary's use of a private email server -- the sidestepping of government-records rules, for instance. But those are small potatoes. And since the right wing was screaming so loudly that Hillary was a criminal, nobody is going to even hear the legitimate gripes. They'll see headlines saying "Hillary cleared", and that will be the end of it.

    You would think right-wingers would learn from this sort of thing happening repeatedly. You cry wolf often enough, and it stops having an effect. But no.
     
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    freakonature Well-Known Member

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    The cia persuaded Hillary to skirt the FOIA?
     
  3. Sage3030

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    Wasn't she supposed to report that? Yes she is supposed to.

    Did she? No. She says she neither sent nor received any classified material on her sever.

    Thanks for informing us that she broke another rule that is supposed to keep her adhering to the law.
     
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    ^ This.
     
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    and under a compromise brokered in 2011, State Department officials were permitted to endorse or oppose specific strikes. The messages were usually sent via a secure government network but on about six occasions, given tight time constraints, they were sent on the "low side," or on less-secure networks,

    Not quite what you are claiming.. They had the right to debate the strikes you have not shown they were given permission to use "low side" communications
     
  6. raytri

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    Another person who fails to understand the whole "what was classified when" thing.

    In the case of these "Top Secret" emails, Hillary didn't consider them "top secret" when they were sent. They were extremely veiled references to upcoming strikes -- they never mentioned drones or the CIA or anything else.

    Years later, when the emails were being reviewed for public release, the reviewers decided the emails should have been treated as Top Secret. This does not mean Hillary broke the law. It does not even mean they are right and Hillary was wrong. It's just a difference of opinion, and the decisions also reflect different contexts -- Hillary was judging the email on the basis of internal communications, while the reviewers are judging it in the context of public release. The two contexts have different standards.

    But please, keep beating that drum. You will be the only one surprised when it blows up in your face.

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    the CIA decided to send the messages "low-side." Not Hillary.
     
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    She is a horrible judge of what is and is not classified.

    State Dept fought for classification changes on one of her emails. It was denied. She really doesn't know what she's doing.

    Live in your fantasy world of Hillary is awesome and can do and has done no wrong. I don't really care. She's as awful of a candidate as trump, if not worse. Neither are getting my vote.
     
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    Clinton set up her own server so she could use it to continue to do whats slowly being exposed, use her Civil "Service" position for personal gain.
     
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    If the OP were true then there wouldn't even be an ongoing investigation.

    Maybe the OP thinks the FBI is so bored that they have nothing better to do.
     
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    State Department officials were permitted to endorse or oppose specific strikes. The messages were usually sent

    Does not say they were given permission on low security communications nothing in your article states that....
     
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    So you're saying she KNEW for a FACT that these emails were in reference to on going strikes in a foreign nation? That these emails were by definition national defense information? And she kept the copies of these emails on her private server in her home and then later with a private company in new jersey? These emails which she KNEW were in reference to ACTUAL operations abroad, were therefore National Defense Information and would therefore be information she was required to take great care with under 18 USC 793?
    I'm sorry but how is that you think this absolves her of responsibility to ensure the info was handled properly while in her custody or to report that the information moved through an improper channel?
     
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    Your Honor, I'd like to call Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to the Stand...


    Q: : And I want to ask you about her emails. You've been in government pretty much your whole life. Secretary Clinton has spent a good deal of time in government. I know there is lots of overclassification and people complain about that. But with your experience, if you read a document in an email, would you have a pretty good idea whether it should be marked Top Secret even if it wasn't?


    ROBERT GATES: Sometimes not. The truth is, things are overclassified, and sometimes I would get something and it would be classified Secret or Top Secret.


    RADDATZ: Even if it’s the highest classification?


    GATES: And I would look at somebody and say, I'm about to tell a foreign leader what is on this piece of paper that's marked Top Secret. And that's going to do serious damage to the United States?

    Why are you giving it to me as a talking point if it's classified Top Secret? So it is tough sometimes. And if you don't have any markings on a piece of paper, it is tough sometimes to tell whether it's classified or no
    t."

    ^ From the May 1 edition of ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos.


    Your honor, the jury finds the defendant: Not Guilty
     
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    Some times they are.

    When the State Department took one of Hillary's emails was to have its classification stripped, they were refused.

    How many times did she get the lecture on what is and what isn't classified? I'd say at least twice. Once as senator, once as SOS. I can't say whether or not she would have done that as First Lady.

    She doesn't know. She just doesn't. And she wants to be president. No thank you.

    You wont get me to change my mind. She is not getting my vote. Ever.
     
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    Talking points like Secretary Gates referred to...? That's the content of her "stripped" email. PUBLIC talking points.

    Do you know how and what was taken from that email? No. You don't know. And to claim such just makes you willfully ignorant.

    I will tell you this: No indictment is coming, and it's going to be another handwringing day coming up for connies when nothing comes of your wolf wolf woof!
     
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    I see, so her defense is that she's just stupid?
     
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    "If there is anyone who fully understands our ‘system’ for protecting classified information, I have yet to meet him." - Former UN Ambassador John Bolton
     
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    Left-Wing Conspiracy Theories pinning it on the CIA. Wow, Hillary must have seen the polls that show blacks and hispanics are increasingly in favor of Trump, cutting into her ability to win some key swing states. I guess she needs to feed the black talk radio machine.
     
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    What was the RNC's defense for using the entire White House email servers hosted on the RNC's private, usecured servers? The emails that the Republicans lost 20 MILLION of White House emails with no idea of where and how?

    What was the RNC's excuse? Where was the prosecutions? The years in jail of the hundred of involved? The impeachment of the "men in charge", e.i. George Bush and Dick Cheney? Were they just "stupid"?

    Oh, wait, Republicans did not give a spit AT ALL and considered it a joke!

    Never mind
     
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    Does the DNC deal with classified information Dave?
     
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    Looks like a new page has been added to the left-wing nut job play book. But it's probably just a reference back to a previous entry of "If all else fails, point the finger at some one else"
     
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    Um, incorrect. This is the RESULT of the investigation. And there may be targets other than Hillary. A lot of people sent her emails.

    As the story notes, the FBI is dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. So they're not making any decision until they interview everyone, including Hillary. That is what you do when you conduct a thorough investigation: You may

    The FBI is being extremely careful to avoid the appearance of bias. You would, too, if investigating a politically explosive case.
     
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    What Hillary did was illegal, but even if it wasn't illegal she's guilty of gross incompetence.

    She is one nasty woman.
     
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    Every person in the White House was routing the emails for to and from the White House.

    We can safely assume that these people, Cheney, Rumsfeld, TurdBlossom nd all the lower level people routed enail that at least BECAME classified information, just like Hillary's.

    Of course, we cannot prove ANYTHING of what is in those emails (or not) because these GOVERNMENT emails were ALL LOST!

    Not a SINGLE Republican cared ANYTHING about this massive breach of security and betrayal of government rules and protocols. NO Republican officials. NO Republican "watch dogs" or pundits.

    NONE gave a diddley squat!

    20 MILLION + emails "lost". Republicans didn't care then and they don't care now of any of the people who have been breaking those rules, except of course, Hillary.

    Liars.
     
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    It's gone so slowly it's putting everyone to sleep. This is another manufactured "scandal" no one really cares about. Remember Ben Gozzi? When's the last time anyone mentioned that? LMAO
     
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