Northern Italy Voted To Recognize Crimea & Remove Sanctions

No you're thinking of Stalin.

 

As far as I know, the Crimeans were never given a chance to vote on whether they wanted to remain a part of Ukraine or rejoin their homeland Russia. Nor do I believe that the transfer of Crimea by Khruschev to the Ukrainian administration was legal in the Soviet Union. That the Russians didn't complain at the time, is because nations didn't exist in the USSR so it wasn't considered a problem.

Anyway Crimea is now part of the Russian Federation so give it up. ..although from I gather Kiev is breaking the Minsk agreement by attacking and killing civilians in the Donbas... which of course will be to their own detriment. But as usual they are too stupid to realize it.

Oh and lest I forget, the latest brilliance of Poroshenko is a speech he made at Slaviansk at how upset he was to see the Russians killing their own people... once again.

Insanity is as insanity does!

 

Oh, so Stalin wasn't fighting Germany? That means the Russians were killing their own people again.

 

He was defending himself after being backstabbed by his "ally"... But you know that

 

Ok what is the endgame you , personally, see?

US and EU going to war for crimea?

 

EU going to war? That would require an army. Not likely within the next generation I think.
The EU will continue to use soft power i.e. it's economic strength to get its will.

Me personally? Russia has been a cheater, fraud and liar on all levels since Putin took over. From sports to invading countries. I don't think it is wise to let that kind of behaviour slide.
The Soviet Union couldn't survive with more land and more friends. I doubt Russia can survive sanctions so no war will be needed. Just patience.

 

i guess the question is whether russia will collapse before the eu :3

btw they were discussing the european navy right after the brexit vote werent they? :3

 

The EU collapse? Based on what? It's success?
They have been discussing navy and army for a long time really. The best chance was right after the war and was tried with the WEU. Unfortunately so far it has not been possible and it looks unlikely. The civil war in Yugoslavia did spur them to create a small mobile force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Battlegroup

It would make a lot of sense and I even met with Italian and Danish generals who agreed that at least on the equipment side there needs to be a lot of harmonisation some years ago.
The Germans seem to be preparing something on it actually.
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...utlines-vision-for-eu-defence-union-1.2638290

It can save a lot of money to at least harmonise the equipment. Even more if you no longer have armies in every country.
Thanks for making me look into it again!

 

Oh well, if that's what you were made to believe ...



Fairyland my fairyland,
how beautiful thou art
Why ruin it with reality
and break your little heart

Best think of Putin as a beast
a monster of a man
destroying all within his path
from Europe to Japan

How dare he not comply with us
and bow to one and all
dost he not know how great we are
the masters of them all ...

by Jeannette

 

The evidence is pretty overwhelming. Though I understand that you have an issue with believing that other countries can investigate matters without being puppets of Washington.
I am not really sure what your purpose here is other than promote Russia and the Orthodox religion.

 

Oh, my. Why is it only the Russian press is publishing this crap? I guess your beloved Mother Russia is getting desperate. Why would a small region even care about Russia? The EU has already unanimously agreed to extend the sanctions on your beloved Mother Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/21/eu-to-extend-sanctions-against-russia

 

Unfortunately not the shared sentiment of the central bankers.

 

As opposed to your "beloved" Global Elite?

 

Global elite? What does that mean exactly?

 

Try educating yourself before denigrating a much smarter poster.

 

I wouldn't mind knowing too? Care to elaborate on this "global elite"?

 

Why was it then fine, and still is fine that Kosovo seceded from it's country yet not fine when Crimea does the same thing???

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With Obama it goes this way.

Be best pals with Iran, worst pals to Russia.

Funny innit?

 

Obama is running out of friends.

 

Crimea is a region of Russia. The voters voted to join Russia.

 

What can America gain by presenting itself as the enemy of Russia?

I get that Jeanette, but to some posters, this is still the cold war, the Obama way, to them.

 

I don't think you can compare the two at all. Why do you think that you can? Did major powers guarantee the integrity of Yugoslavia? Did a major power invade Kosovo while claiming not to?

I don't know if it is funny. I seem to recall the US trying to create a better relationship with Russia. That was back in 2009. Remember? When sanctions were lifted, the US decided not to built a missile shield and they agreed on sanctions on Iran.
The Russians seemed to take advantage of that to behave even worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset

Your memory is funny.

 

Kosovo and Crimea both voted to abandon the former country.
Bill Clinton sent troops to Kosovo, so yes, this nation can be blamed for an invasion.

Bush made enormous strides to making Russia our ally and friend.

Since you do not make specific charges against Russia, I have no way to refute a thing.

But if you make actual charges, I will see what can be done to help you.

My point is one can't both excuse Kosovo when we had troops there then blame Russia over the citizens of Crimea voting to be in Russia.

 

Uhhh, if I recall it wasn't Russia who overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine to build a naval base in Crimea, and by doing so disenfranchised the Eastern and Southern part of Ukraine.

 

Ehm... I would look a bit at the timeline. I think your memory is playing tricks on you again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Yugoslav_Wars

I am not going to waste my time on providing evidence to someone who seems to have the memory of a goldfish.
You didn't have anything to say about the Russian Reset in 2009? Maybe it's not the memory? You just choose to ignore information...

 

You care to provide a source for what you are claiming?