Clinton to Trump: You don't represent the real America. I do.

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  1. MMC

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    To bad they didn't use the RCP polls, huh Andy. :laughing:

    But they are sounding off in todays time.....and they say your kind. The Leftness. Democrats.....are weak and dumb(*)(*)(*)(*)s so they don't need to worry to much while the Dumb(*)(*)(*)(*)s are running things. Why is that Andy? Why does AQ consider you and your kind mopes and not the to bright kind of people?
     
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    Those two won't drop out of this race unless something drastically bad happens. And the immense support these two have means people aren't simply going to surrender their candidates either.

    I look forward to the day Congress decides to impeach them. By then we're looking at a President Kaine or President Pence as the new replacement.
     
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    No, Trump doesn't lie more and even answers questions honestly. While taking the flak for it. Something that Hillary doesn't know how to do.

    The Majority of the country doesn't think she even comes close to representing this country. Truthfully she should have been hit upside her head for even saying something stupid like that out of her mouth.

    But she was only playing to her own kind. Which they can't tell the difference from the real and what is made up.
     
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    As for which candidate better represents the county, the most objective way to see that is voting and polling. For voting Clinton has won so far: In primaries 15.6 million for Clinton and 13.3 million for Trump, and there were more republican primary voters (and candidates too, though Sanders was a worthy contender). For polling it is currently tied, but has favored Clinton almost all of the time except for last week. We'll see what the popular vote is for the general election, but that's the real deciding factor here.

    On lying, I think you're confusing lacking a politically correct filter with being honest. We can compare opinions all day, but if you actually look at the statements Trump makes, and the statements Clinton makes, he actually does lie more, more than twice as much. Politifact shows that he lies more. I know you're going to call anything that opposes your candidate "liberally biased", but that holds no validity until you provide evidence of it. It absolutely is possible for one side to lie more than the other, and absolutely possible for one side to pay for it more than the other. Politics is NOT an even-handed game. And even if one side does lie more than the other, and pay less for lying, it doesn't actually tell us which side is correct - only which side lies more.

    So I'd suggest you actually look at the statement lists of Trump and Clinton, and see how either of them is being treated unfairly. The articles are not long. The harder part to evaluate is if there are omissions from either Trump or Clinton. The best ones to analyze are going to be "false" for Trump and "mostly true" for Clinton, since those are their largest respective categories and would reveal the bias you suspect. If there are a lot of gross miscategorizations (as in, false should be true or mostly true should be mostly false) or omissions in these columns, that would call into question the validity of their ratings. Now, I will admit that not every single one of them is perfect. For example, the one about Trump blaming Clinton for ISIS is rated as false, but I think it probably should be "mostly false," because there is a small grain of truth to it though several people are more responsible than Clinton (primarily Bush in my view, but politifact also blames Obama), but she bears a little bit of responsibility, However, the problems are not significant enough to account for the two-fold difference between Trump and Clinton. Over half of the Trump statements or Clinton statements would have to be miscategorized or omitted. They are not.

    Links: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/mostly-true/
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2
     
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    Again, Clinton has 25 years more time with lying in the public eye. There is no getting around that fact no matter how much Politi Fact wants to try and rewrite History.



    Study: Clinton's primary vote lead may not reveal much about November......

    According to Hillary Clinton and her team, she will be the Democratic nominee and beat Donald Trump in the fall. After all, she has approximately 2 million more votes than Trump, and he’s the presumptive Republican nominee.

    But a new report from Smart Politics — a non-partisan political news site at The University of Minnesota — found that those votes might not be an indicator of her success in a general election.

    But the Smart Politics report found that, since 1976, the candidate who won more votes in the primary lost the popular vote in the general election six out of 10 times.

    Smart Politics also notes that there were three races where incumbent presidents won the general (1984, 2004 and 2012) after receiving fewer votes in the primary when they ran uncontested for their party's nomination. However, this isn’t surprising given that voter turnout tends to be lower when you know your candidate is coasting unopposed......snip~

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-clinton-donald-trump-primary-votes/84846578/

    Of course, now Hillary and her Team have discovered the Blue Dog Demos and Independents, plus whatever Sanders supporters have moved to Trump.

    Also Team Hillary knows out of the undecided....that 82% are against Hillary and that's just the women. Not the Demographic of Men.
     

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