Any other dems disgusted with Clinton?

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Empty words, just party rhetoric, unconvincing at best, insulting at worst. What makes such words in support of Hillary so scary is that these party zealots actually believe them....can you imagine that? Worse, such words show a frighteningly clear dissociation from reality. Here is a woman that promotes war that kills and maims thousands of innocents, sold herself out to the highest corporate bidder, lies, supports laws which are robbing US citizens of their rights by promoting uncontrolled government spying and supports a man who is waging war on journalists and whistle-blowers....then they have unmittable gall to criticize Trump?

I'm not voting for either slime bucket, Hillary or Trump. This country deserves much, much better than these two pukes.

 

Thanks for proving my point.
Your satisfaction after your puerile little temper tantrum will be very short lived, and you'll be stuck with it for 4 years.
Way to care about your country, sport.

 

That's your opinion, but you do have a civic duty to vote, and I hope you do.
Think very clearly about what is critical to you and vote your conscience.
If everyone did that, things would improve.

 

The wars we have today were not started by Bill Clinton. His administrations were remarkable for the peace that we all enjoyed. The warmongers were too busy making YUUUUGE profits during the Clinton booming economy to worry about petty 3rd world dictators.

The wars we have today were started by the Republican Warmongers who LIED to We the People and who never stopped lying in order to promote the FEAR that is needed to support their odious agenda. And yes, they INCREASED the national debt with their UNFUNDED warmongering and nefarious TAXCUTS for the 1%.

Obama was hamstrung by the Republicans when it came to righting these wrongs because he inherited the COLLAPSE of the Republican/Libertarian "deregulated free markets" dogma that has done so much fiscal damage to hardworking Americans. Every attempt to fix these problems has been stymied by the GOP. To blame Obama for the wars that he inherited from the Bush regime is disingenuous IMO.

And let's just stop and consider where we would be today if McCain had won instead of Obama. We would be at war with a nuclear armed Iran! How many trillions would that be costing taxpayers not to mention the lives and limbs of our finest. We might even be forced to reintroduce the draft just to find the manpower needed for that war.

But instead we had the combination of Obama and Hillary working with our allies, and Russia and China, to prevent that war with a nuclear armed Iran. So when it comes to war and peace Hillary is a mixed bag. When someone else like Bush jr started a war she voted to support the troops he was sending into harms way. But when it came to PREVENTING a war she went all out to make sure that we did not have to find out the hard way what failure meant.

If I was to cast my vote based upon nothing but warmongering I would vote AGAINST Tr(oll)mp because he lacks the temperament to PREVENT another war. In fact he will INCITE other nations to declare war against us. And yes, they will do that because he will have weakened us by alienating our allies. If you support warmongering then Tr(oll)mp is the obvious choice to vote for in November.

So let's turn to the economy. Moody's updated their predictions and they continue to state that Tr(oll)mp's economic policies will cause another RECESSION. The policies of Hillary, which are similar to those of Obama, will allow the economy to keep on growing and thus avoid a recession. If you enjoy seeing millions of people being laid off and losing their homes then Tr(oll)mp is the obvious choice for November.

Personally I am opposed to warmongering and to economic recessions so I am NOT going to vote for Tr(oll)mp under any circumstances. I would rather be castrated than give that ignorant bloviating shyster the opportunity to loot American taxpayers.

Like the rest of you I am not impressed with the way Hillary has mishandled the email debacle but having 4+ decades of experience in IT I know that it has been blown out of all proportion for purely partisan political reasons. I agree with FBI Director Comey's assessment that she was careless but not criminal. That issue is now closed and I have no doubt that measures are already in place to stop it happening again in the future so I have no fear of her misusing an email server. (FTR the Bush jr regime did the same thing when it came to deleting government emails on private servers.)

So it all comes down to experience and competence. Tr(oll)mp has neither when it comes to running the government and no, I am not in the least bit interested is risking the jobs of hardworking Americans or the lives of our finest soldiers in the hands of an egocentric thin skinned sociopath who doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about anyone but himself. We the People don't deserve that kind of needless pain and suffering.

Weighing the options and thinking about what is in the best interests of my fellow Americans and my own family and friends there is only one sane and rational choice as to who take over the reins of power for the next 4 years. I can live with the status quo for the next 4 years and work hard to come up with a real choice in 2020.

The alternative means that the warmongers win and I cannot have that on my conscience.

 

So basically what you are saying is republicans run things and democrats just flop around like a fish out of water.

So....... I have never voted for a candidate that won POTUS. Does that mean I should vote for Hillary this time?

 

Lol...Yes. Do something right for a change.

 

I know this might sound like a really weird suggestion but try thinking through the consequences, on all levels ,of what might happen based upon each of your choices.

 

Glad you think keeping her from being POTUS is important.

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Good idea, do the opposite of what progressives do. Brilliant.

 

At least he is honest, though incredibly stupid and incapable of running our country.

That's part of the problem, that she is just a better choice, but that doesn't make her a good choice. I felt the same way about her in 08. Sanders got my vote at the primaries, however, there are plenty of people who were they running, I would vote for, Elizabeth Warren for example, or, if she had a chance, Jill Stein. What proof do we have that Clinton will even carry out a progressive agenda like she has promised?

What about public option healthcare? Obamacare, if the problem with states not expanding medicaid is fixed, is an okay thing, but sooner or later we have to face the fact the private insurers are out there to turn a profit, if they aren't collecting more money from their enrollees than they're dishing out, they won't stay in business, now that the companies can no longer do shady crap to prevent people from utilizing their plan, they gotta make up for it, by massively increasing the price to everyone. Don't know about you but I can't afford $400 a month for a plan with a 9 grand deductible, I'm uninsured and self paying and I don't even spend that much money a month on healthcare. Medicare and medicaid is proof public options can greatly reduce the cost of healthcare.

 

I think the DNC had a civic duty to run a fair nominating process instead of a conspiracy to coronate crooked Hillary.

 

You know there's a third candidate running, right?

And nothing in the op suggested the temper tantrum or other insults you are tossing around. That is your own made-up perception, and if you can't even read that right then what confidence should we have that you can analyze Clinton worth a crap?

 

Both candidates are about as flawed as one could ever imagine winning either party's nomination. With that being the case, and polling currently showing what is essentially a statistical dead heat, declaring one side or the other as a landslide winner is nothing more than hot air. Things will likely change as this election progresses, but none of us know how that will go. This is probably about as unpredictable of an election as we have seen in modern times.

 

Take the time to look at Gary Johnson's policies. I think both Republicans and Democrats will find things they like.

Two respected Republican Governors of Democratic states without the dishonesty, without the foolish bombast.

I just wish Johson could be in the debates. He would devastate both Trump and Clinton.

 

Trump primary votes 14,009,107 with the votes split 4 ways out of a total 29,620,306 votes.

Clinton primary votes 16,847,084 with the votes split 2 ways out of a total 30,105,306 votes.

45% of Sanders voters say they wont vote for Hillary (5.8 million) 22% say they will vote for Trump, 18% for Johnson and 5% for Stein. That was before the DNC email revelations about the Democrat primary. I think a whole lot more now see Hillary as a cheater.

[video=youtube;UknfD0_df9w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UknfD0_df9w[/video]

When you take this all into consideration Hillary's landslide might be from a big dung heap. The race is a LOT closer than you think.

 

Not sure where you got your numbers from because Pew has different statistics from their polling.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...-does-poll-showing-sanders-supporters-backing

Hillary will get 90% of Bernie supporters.

Tr(oll)mp will only get 80% of those who supported other GOP candidates.

Since the Dem party is larger than the GOP Hillary will have a larger vote total from her base than Tr(oll)mp will from his base.

That means that Tr(oll)mp will have a harder time converting Independents and moderates to achieve a winning margin.

 

So you missed what happened in the RNC? Those mysteriously "changed" ballots?

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Any liberal or progressive who votes for Johnson is doing what Nader voters did in 2000

Do you REALLY want to be responsible for a Trump Presidency?

 

Pew was in part funded by left wing organizations like George Soros's Open Society Institute and now by the Urban Institute in part funded by......the Open Society Institute.

I got mine from Bloomberg News, you know Michael Bloomberg liberal former Mayor of New York City?

That's 45% that won't vote for Clinton. Bernie got 13 million votes, that's 5,850,000 that say they won't cast their vote for Hillary. Sanders supporters felt that Hillary cheated Bernie out of the primary, and now here she is again. I have a feeling that 45% will go up shortly.

 

Which one?

LOL!!

AA

 

Just to be clear Obama inherited a MESS!!

The country's economy was in shambles for years of war and in addition it was in a lull as the U.S. Economy highs and lows are cyclical and as example...Bill Clinton was in office right at the time that economy and. world changing technologies were being sold fast as they could be made such as cell phones, personal computers, Flat Screens....etc...etc...etc....and of course the Market was bloated as just look what happened when the Dot.Com bubble burst when Bush came into office.

Anyways.....Obama came into a mess and he did a few things right but them he did a bunch of things wrong and he wasted some golden opportunities.

One example of an opportunity lost was he had control of both House and Senate and he and the Dem's just could NOT get the correct form of Universal Healthcare passed and they were infighting too much.

Now the correct form of Universal Healthcare is the plan that Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney with the aid of the Mass Legislature and along with a group of the absolute best and brightest in Insurance, Medical, Legal, Economics....etc..etc.

The put together the PERFECT PLAN.... and the plan was designed as to be used as a whole and not just parts of it and it was put into law and I live in Mass. and I am wealthy and my PAYMENTS WENT DOWN!!

Massachusetts saved BILLIONS OF DOLLARS using this Universal Healthcare Plan put together by a Republican Governor with the help of a mostly Democratic Massachusetts Legislature and a Group Romney brought in who were the best of the best.

AND IT WORKED!!

So Obama get's in and intends to use the exact same plan and what happens.....Obama allows the plan to be altered and changed and the plan was never meant to work as it is now set up.

Another thing we blew was spending huge amounts of money creating additional Government Jobs that were only set to be Short Lived and that money could have been used better as those jobs are gone now.

Obama's policies in Libya and Syria are a F@#KING ABOMINATION!! The President of the United States cannot draw a line in the sand and then when someone crosses the line just do nothing!!! That cannot happen!!

But...as I said he had a mess when he came in.

But he had a lot of opportunities to make some great decisions and develop a few things that would make all the difference.

But he just went down swinging.

AA

 

June 22nd?

Seriously?



What does Bloomberg report NOW?

 

Hey...anything could happen.

But it's not a dead heat and believe me I am no Hillary fan.

Right now she has the numbers.

AA

 

Really?

Your going to come at me that way??

I have done more for this country than you could possibly imagine.

AA

 

I'm thinking about voting for Hillary Clinton.

But I'm going to have to see how she does in the general election debates.

I haven't really been following her since she ticked me off by attacking CEO pay. I don't know what her actual platform is.

I look forward to seeing her argue it out with Trump. Since that might alter her campaign, who knows where that might take us.

Of course I still haven't made up my mind who I'm going to vote for, so Trump isn't totally doomed as far as if I might vote for him...

 

Has what numbers ?

 

We got Obama over that failed thinking.

Those not voting for Hilary are voting their conscience.

Many of us are not deceived by Hillary. We also see how the Democrats lies are starting to mount against Trump.

I have said many times, we needed a person who served first as a senior manager over government. But we did not get either of that.
One reason I voted for Mitt Romney the last election is he had senior experience and I could see that Obama still was not competent.

Trump has heart. He has taken off his gloves. I doubt Wikileaks sinks Hillary but she will spin it to the point the DNC words get blamed not on them, but on the Russians. As most who see thorough this admit, the Russians sure did not write the words that got leaked.