Black lives matter, but the genocide of Native Americans. no problem

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  1. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    The blacks were enslaved, raped and murdered for over 200 years. But that's nothing compared to the genocide of 11 million Native Americans that had their land stolen, their women and children raped and slaughtered, and herded into concentration camps in the name of God and the American flag. They were poisoned by Smallpox in the blankets they were given. The women's breasts were cut off and used for tobacco pouches.

    And now Trump and his Christian followers ask the blacks, "What have you got to lose?"
     
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    The Indians were stone savages who themselves practiced slavery and cannibalism. Don't believe what you see in Disney movies.
     
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    The smallpox blanket story is a myth. Didn't happen. And Native Americans? Really? They engaged in seasonal warfare where they did their own brand of rape, murder, robbery pillage and slavery. Then there are the Aztecs et all who killed untold numbers for religion and for fun.

    And the Blacks? LMAO who do you think did much of the initial slaving, that is besides the Arabs? Ever hear of Shaka? Nah. You libs are just too funny.
     
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    The so called genocide of natives is more myth than real.

    One of the problems is the methods used to estimate the number of indigenous people here in the first place. Those who wish to perpetuate the story of genocide will always estimate larger numbers in order to show a greater number killed. Others who wish to down play european colonists atrocities against natives will estimate lower. Somewhere in the middle there might be an accurate number but it will probably make neither side happy.

    Either way we must remember that the destruction of native tribes was in fact caused more by disease than by violence. This is not deliberate genocide. The people of the 16th century had little to no knowledge of what diseases they were introducing into the western hemisphere and the damage was done with the very first contacts in the 25th century. Disease travels with nature way ahead of human contact by birds bugs and other vectors.

    This was not a deliberate genocide comparable to the holocaust or communist genocide or even the genocidal mass slaughter of indigenous people by OTHER indigenous people such as the Aztecs.

    The story of spreading small pox infected blankets is unsupported and in fact highly dubious. It is based on very weak second hand accounts with no supporting evidence. In fact if it were true it misses one important piece of evidence that no epidemic broke out in the immediate aftermath of the distribution of such blankets. It is essentially a legend used to heap a little more shame on whites or europeans but is likely not true.

    I have heard of natives cutting off the scotums of their enemies and using them as pouches but not the story of women's breasts being used the same way by europeans so you need to provide a valid credible source.

    Also the reservations were not concentration camps as the natives were always and still are free to leave.

    Do you have anything new beyond the tired mythological narrative?
     
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    No, they were enslaved, raped, and murdered for thousands of years - most of that time? By other blacks. Funny how that always gets left out of the narrative.

    Native Americans were practicing genocide against each other for many thousands of years before whites ever arrived.

    The "Smallpox blanket" story is just a left-wing myth.



    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/plag/5240451.0001.009/--did-the-us-army-distribute-smallpox-blankets-to-indians?rgn=main;view=fulltext


    What we have here is a classic example of "Passover Syndrome". Instead of the white leftist voluntarily giving up his/her "stolen land" or "stolen wealth", they'd rather just acknowledge this perceived debt, which transfers all blame and responsibility onto other, less "enlightened" people who don't acknowledge it.

    http://takimag.com/article/diagnosing_passover_syndrome_among_white_liberals/print#axzz4J72fHquI

    It's important for conservatives to understand the Marxist roots of a thread like this one. The left is at war with anything that promotes stability in society - family, religion, culture, language, and even history. In order for the left to rebuild the country in their own image, they must first destroy it. That's what they are doing.
     
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    The disease thing was deadly but not deliberate and cannot be blamed on anyone. Other than that, yes, the U.S. has and to many, is still, committing atrocities.
     
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    Which native Texans...the Karankawa, the Caddo, the Wichita ,or the Cibolo were cannibals?
     
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    The Karankawa for sure practiced cannibalism.

    I have no idea of the others.

    It is probably wrong to say natives in general practiced cannibalism but a few tribes did. The Karankawa were hated and despised by other tribes because of their practice of eating the dead.
     
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    Another example of the failure of Texas yahoos approved schoolbooks. History in Texas schools mystery be from the Jefferson Davis college of FoolThem All Daily.
     
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    So, besides trying to get people to feel guilty over the internet about stuff they never did, what have you done personally to make up for this perceived deficit? Any sacrifices at all towards the plight of the Native American?
     
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    The US has not committed attrocities in at least 125 years .
     
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    Yet, Texas history has well documented atrocities by Indians and not a lick of liberal fantasy. Go figure.
     
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    Karankawa were cannibals but they probably pick it up from the early Spanish.
     
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    Before you question another member about what he did for Native American why don,t you list all if your great social works so we can nominate you got the Nobel Peace Prize...that would be a big feather in your cap.
     
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    True enough, the U.S. hasn't committed the legal slaughter of Native Americans since those wars about 125 years ago. But still, the government has systematically ignored the treaties we signed. Case in point, North Dakota Oil Pipeline Battle: Who’s Fighting and Why
     
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    The Aztecs were notorious for ritual cannibalism (warriors would eat a strip of flesh from enemies they had slain in combat). Some people dispute this, but the Aztecs' own written and oral histories seem to support it as the truth. The Karankawa tribe of southeast Texas was also said to practice ritual cannibalism on defeated enemies. There were a few Amazonian tribes who practiced funerary cannibalism (family and friends would eat part of a dead tribal member's body as a religious ceremony at the funeral). Finally, the Carib people of South America were said to kill and eat prisoners of war, though it's been pointed out that the Spaniards who made this claim were lining their own pockets by doing so (Queen Isabella had forbidden her subjects from selling Africans, or Indians, as slaves unless they were cannibals).

    http://www.native-languages.org/iaq13.htm

    You're saying it didn't happen?
     
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    Tribal warfare often results in the extermination of weaker enemy tribes.
     
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    War, conquest, and slavery are part of being human. The Indians couldn't compete n those area with Europeans, but they damn sure competed with each other.

    So is what the colonists and early Americans did worse because they're white and were better at it?
     
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    You may have won the prize for most bull(*)(*)(*)(*) comment of the year.... maybe the decade.

    observe....
    http://www.native-languages.org/iaq13.htm
     
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    When Europeans arrived in the New World they found folks with no metal tools, no wheel, no beasts of burden, no written language, sounds like stone age savages to me.
     
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    Your post confirms that the Indians were cannibals. Recent studies of human scat in the Southwest confirm they, too, practiced cannibalism.
     
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    Please provide proof of these 'recent studies' to backup this claim.
     
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    Who cares. All you are discussing happened hundreds of years ago. If it is money you seek, I will personally write a substantial check to every slave or native American over 150 years old.
     
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    that's a broad assumption, when you see an aids walk do you interpret that as a statement that other diseases don't matter?
     

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