That's it, i have decided - my vote goes to trump

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Mike12, Oct 12, 2016.

  1. krashsmith81

    krashsmith81 New Member

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    While I disagree with your ultimate conclusion, I can respect your logic. If I was conservative on more issues than I am liberal, I'd vote for Trump, because despite what anyone says, most people are going to vote for the policies both him and Hillary represent, more than any issue of faith in either candidate. I also have my doubts if Hillary is as corrupt as it's said she is, sometimes where there's smoke there's fire, but in politics, people continually throw mud on you, hoping some of it sticks. I will say this, I am also fed up, even as someone who is voting for Hillary, at the media's treatment of Trump. I'm disgusted by some of his comments, BUT as you said, CNN is practically playing it 24/7, there's no doubt most of the media has a liberal bias, with exception of places like Fox and NewsMax. To be fair, both parties will sling more mud, it's a bipartisan thing, and no one party deserves all the blame. I'm voting for Hillary because I agree with her on more policies, but that doesn't mean Trump hasn't said things I agree with strongly as well, such as his wall idea. I've been saying on these forums for quite some time you can be against illegal immigration and not be against legal immigration, and I've at times been labeled a racist by left wingers who were psychologically incapable of acknowledging this small truth. Anyway, in my personal estimation, the negatives outweigh the positives with Trump, but I'd like to go on record as saying I don't think Hillary is some kind of Messiah herself.
     
  2. krashsmith81

    krashsmith81 New Member

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    For those of you saying that Trump is a political outsider, and at least isn't a career corrupt politician, you may be right, perhaps what he says is true, and he doesn't need backers who he has to answer to, but how can we know for sure until he releases his tax returns and allows the public to check for conflicts on interest.
     
  3. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    Actually, for weeks you've been going back and forth.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=478865&p=1066716660#post1066716660

    You were never going to vote for Clinton, and you've been forcefully arguing that Johnson doesn't stand a chance.

    So no, not a big surprise that you went Trump.

    It doesn't matter one way or the other: You're in Texas, so your vote is wasted no matter what happens, unless Texas suddenly moves blueward. Which I suppose could happen: Trump is up less than 7 points there.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_clinton-5694.html
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It doesn't matter if the Clinton campaign acquired the tape, because NBC has colluded with them to fix the election.
     
  5. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    This is also BS. It began During the Democratic Primaries, Continued through the general and into Obama's first term. Trump merely jumped on the band wagon at a point when it seemed to be gathering momentum. Shortly thereafter Obama did what he could have done at any point during the controversy and showed his Birth certificate. And Trump promptly jumped from the bandwagon. Please note Obama could have brought this controversy to an end any time he wanted, so why didn't he? I remain convinced that he was merely engaged in a bit of political subterfuge/ju-jitsu/slight of hand.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm in North Carolina. We seem to matter, this time. ;) If I were in Texas, I would vote Johnson. Until today, I was undecided, but Johnson would likely have had my 'principal' vote, because the other two are so very evil. HRC never would have gotten my vote, but, shamefully, BHO did in 2008. I will never make the mistake I did in 2008, again.
     
  7. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    Oh, my bad. Your flag looks a lot like Texas.

    Follow your bliss. As I've said before, I understand not liking Hillary. I just don't understand thinking Trump is the answer to that. Anything you want to accuse Hillary of, Trump has done the same or worse. On top of being a personal bucket of sleaze.

    I can respect a Johnson vote. I can even respect not voting. Voting for Trump requires deliberate suspension of rational judgment.
     
  8. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    I implore you to think what kind of nation the US would be after 4 years with a president was a misogynistic, bigoted egomaniac. Someone who couldn't even make a success of running a casino, for crying out loud, where the odds are always in favor of the house.
    A man that has said he will lower taxes on the rich, leaving the rest of us to make up the shortfall in federal revenue, apparently. If nothing else Hillary has promised to close the loopholes for the rich, thereby lowering taxes on the rest, hopefully.
     
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    cupAsoup Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.

    Only those with a tenuous grip on reality are voting trump at this point. Of course, it's not too late for you to get your ticket.

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    Trump has never done anything that wasn't for himself. There are no undecided or independents in this race.
     
  10. Penrod

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    This is a bunch of nonsense. How is questioning his NBC status racist ? M Cains was also questioned as was that of Cruz and Rubio and many more if you go back in history
     
  11. Penrod

    Penrod Well-Known Member

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    Such lies

    http://ijr.com/2016/02/539479-trump-saved-widdowers-farm-daughter-speaks-out/


    http://conservative101.com/former-miss-wisconsin-shuts-down-cnn-with-incredible-story-of-how-trump-saved-her-life-video/
     
  12. Bluebird

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    So again,I disagree & I will ask again, why did trump think it was his duty to go after OBAMA on the birther issue? I don't go after the racism card "every time" as you attest, I try very hard to stay away from it as a matter of fact,but that being said---One would think that trump would be smart enough to realize that once he knew OBAMA's mother was born in Kansas ,a U.S citizen that the birther issue was closed, but, that is not what trump did,trump "demanded" to see OBAMA's papers, and even after OBAMA did in fact, show his birth certificate trump continued the conspiracy theory for 5 more years--You call it what you want-I call it racism- Yeah, I will agree there were ulterior motives,however,I do beleive there is enough evidence that trump is a racist by him being a regular visitor to Breitbart,the alt-right web-site,hiring the CEO Bannon(ex- CEO of Breitbart) as his campaigns CEO & having a member of the KKK speak for him-And again,what other POTUS was accused of not being born here as trump didn't start this nonsense until 2011---
    Ok, I will explain again about trump going after Cruz,trump says he read in the paper that Cruz was born in Canada,he questionbed it because one has to be born in the United States to run for POTUS-
    The reason people were going after trump's wife is because she plagiarized Michelle OBAMA'S speech,which she admitted to, I don't recall if Cruz went after trump's wife, but,still it is just one more example of going "negative".
    Well, yes,the Democrats have come out to deny the Wikileaks claim,maybe you haven't caught up on that news yet!
    But, again I will state that e-mail hacking is illegal & we don't know if those e-mails have been altered, it would not be the first time Bannon has altered material to make his point! Also,trump has claimed,"we don't even know if Russia is involved in the hacking",What, he had the same intelligence briefing that Clinton had,intelligence has made it pretty clear that they are almost certain it is Russia--I don't think it is over yet,people are still digging
    And here is one more thing---there are other anti-trump groups out there,some of these groups are being lead by other Republicans---Yet, trumper's would like to blame the negativity all on the HILLARY campaign-----just saying----
     
  13. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's what I don't get… you blame the Clinton campaign and NBC for releasing the tape, but you excuse Donald Trump saying what he said on the tape. The tape doesn't matter one whit, if Trump is not saying the things he said.

    Shouldn't you also blame the Trump campaign and Wikileaks for releasing Podesta's emails and excuse anything Clinton said in them for the same reasons?
     
  14. Penrod

    Penrod Well-Known Member

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    Maybe like many others he wanted a person who was an NBC as president. The NBC status of many white candidates were questioned long before Obama was even born. Its all in your head
     
  15. raytri

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    And then there is this one, where he cut his seriously ill 18-month-old nephew off from health insurance because of a financial dispute with the boy's father:
    http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/what-sort-of-man-is-donald-trump

    I have no doubt Trump can be pleasant when it suits his purposes. He helped the farmer's widow, for instance, after he saw a story about her seeking help in the newspaper. It was a paltry amount of money, and bought him lots of good publicity.

    As for Miss Wisconsin, the only people who know if that story is true are her and Trump. It is a startling contrast to everything else we know about Trump. And it contains some odd details. For instance, she said the Trump Foundation will pay to send her child to college. This is odd for two reasons: one, it wouldn't qualify as a tax-free donation by the foundation. Two, it would be the first time in the history of Trump's foundation that it did something like that.

    Even if true, helping out a couple of people over in this corner doesn't somehow magically cancel out groping and assault over in that corner, or being a complete dick to a toddler.
     
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    Penrod Well-Known Member

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    So give me some examples of Hillary doing such nice things
     
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    Ok, why did trump feel he should jump on the bandwagon?
    There should not have been a "controversy" over where OBAMA was born, his mother was a United States citizen, birth certificate said born in Hawaii--why the "controversy? OBAMA did, he even put it on a coffee cup for all to see,but that wasn't good enough, why not?
    Yes, McCain was questioned being born in Panama,but once it was known that "His" mother was a United States citizen,no problem---
     
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    Those of us who researched Trump during the Primary realized what a lack of moral character he had. Yes, we realized exactly what the media was going to do--they were going to help him win the primary, and destroy him after the convention. That's part of the reason I was against him--I realized his lack of morality was going to lead to a big loss to Clinton. yes, she doesn't have any more moral character than he does, but in different ways.
     
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    And who would those many white candidates be & did they get the scrutiny OBAMA did? Actually look forward to the links you provide--
    Nope, I don't believe it is all in my head-----
     
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    Good for you mate, I'd vote for him too if I was American, but I can still root for him, especially as he's half-British on his mothers side..:)
    You're a real patriot and a great family man, because Don offers to protect you, your children and their children's children from the rough times ahead that'd come under a Hillary administration.
    She and Obama have already brought nuclear armageddon a step closer, so let's hope Don will undo some of the mess..:)

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    I'll tell you why, because even after OBAMA did produce his birth certificate,it wasn't good enough & some people still today don't believe it,Why not?
    Yes, McCain was questioned about it because he was in fact born in Panama,but when it was found out his mother was a United States citizen,no problem, same with Cruz, I don't remember Rubio getting questioned & Who of "the many more if we go back in history" are you referring?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I vote by mail and just this moment opened the envelope and yanked out the ballot. I voted for Trump. It's going in the mail today. California is infested by Democrats. I looked at our choices to be our Senator replacement for Feinstein.
    Two Democrats.

    Can you believe that? My choice is either a lawyer or the current representative from S. Cal whose first win was using fraud?

    I did not vote for either the fraudsters.

    In my local district, I have to pick from two Democrats for 17th Congress district. Screw that. No vote there either. I don't want Democrats over government.
     
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    I hope more undecideds have the same reasoning power as you. Good post.
     
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    Silly question, the obvious answer being that he was already looking at running as a Republican at some point in time and because he didn't really understand either Republicans or conservatives thought it would be a great way to get some easy street cred.
     
  25. raytri

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    In 1973, while working for the Children's Defense Fund, she helped pass a law that required schools to educate handicapped kids, then helped train Legal Aid lawyers to advocate for kids using the new law, then helped push for the kids to receive an education that accomodated their handicap.
    http://shewinswewin.org/blog/how-hillary-clinton-helped-me-advocate-for-disability-rights/

    In 2007, she helped a cancer survivor deal with creditors.
    http://people.com/celebrity/cancer-...inton-helped-him-conquer-treatment-creditors/

    In 2013, she helped basketball's first openly-gay player make the decision to come out of the closet, (He and Chelsea were friends, and he had know Hillary for 20 years)
    http://www.advocate.com/sports/2016...ayer-says-hillary-clinton-helped-him-come-out

    If you throw in the work she did to make sure 9/11 first responders were taken care of, she directly helped thousands.

    If you throw in all the work the Clinton Foundation does, she has helped millions.

    If you throw in all the kids who have affordable medical care due to CHIP, she has helped millions more.
     

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