If Climate Change Is Real; Why Are Winters Feeling Colder? Maybe This..

AFM · Dec 26, 2016

Silhouette said: ↑

As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to thin from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

"But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.

As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to disappear from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

"But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

Yes, yes we were. Again, climate change deniers will have to stretch their taxed little brains further to understand the "silly" science behind all the mystery.

Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.
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What is the atmospheric pressure in terms of psia at an altitude of 60 miles ?? How is this related to the density of the atmosphere at that altitude ?? Why would a change in atmospheric pressure of 3% of ~ 2 X 10 exp (-5) psia have any effect on the average temperature of the globe ??

https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf

waltky · Dec 27, 2016

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... it's always cold inna winter...

... an' hot inna summer...

... since time immemorial.

Silhouette · Dec 27, 2016

Deckel said: ↑

Either we have record warmth or we do not. In summer they say "Why this is the hottest July on record" and in the winter they are now sating it is colder because the summers aren't as warm.

In 5 years we will be exactly as we are now, AGW folks appealing to the future because they do not know what logical fallacies are in their own sense of logic.
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That's why I explained this in my OP. I said that for a time, as the ice sheet melts in the North, you would expect air currents flowing across it and down South to cool the southern areas just like if you had a chunk of ice melting on a hot kitchen counter with a fan behind it. You would feel cooler in that kitchen until the ice reached a crucial smaller size where it no longer could affect you. Then from then on you'd roast. The temporary cooler Summers follow the law of the specific heat of the water molecule. That law says that water as it changes phase from solid to liquid & liquid to gas (steam) draws in a large amount of heat energy in order to do so. In other words, water in its different forms has an extremely stabilizing effect on our planet. The ice sheets literally act like air conditioners. The oceans literally act like huge environmental temperature stabilizers. But when you suddenly get a thinning insulation in the outer atmosphere allowing in too much solar radiation in the Summers, and the ice sheets & permafrost begin to melt, you destabilize the weather and the type of havoc we've been seeing with 100 year storms happening every other year...unusually cooler Summers, then really hot ones...then cool ones again...harsh Winters...all are indications that our climate is getting whacked and our ice/ocean ratio is being upset and not in a good way.

With the thinning thermosphere we have (generally) hotter Summers and reliably colder Winters. Just like if you had a tar paper shack with thinning insulation. It would be more exposed to the extremes without protection in both seasons. When our "ice chunk on the kitchen counter" (polar ice sheets) reach a crucial smaller size, you can expect reliably hotter Summers (possibly unbearably hot) and reliably colder Winters, as our thermosphere continues to thin.

AFM · Dec 27, 2016

Silhouette said: ↑

That's why I explained this in my OP. I said that for a time, as the ice sheet melts in the North, you would expect air currents flowing across it and down South to cool the southern areas just like if you had a chunk of ice melting on a hot kitchen counter with a fan behind it. You would feel cooler in that kitchen until the ice reached a crucial smaller size where it no longer could affect you. Then from then on you'd roast. The temporary cooler Summers follow the law of the specific heat of the water molecule. That law says that water as it changes phase from solid to liquid & liquid to gas (steam) draws in a large amount of heat energy in order to do so. In other words, water in its different forms has an extremely stabilizing effect on our planet. The ice sheets literally act like air conditioners. The oceans literally act like huge environmental temperature stabilizers. But when you suddenly get a thinning insulation in the outer atmosphere allowing in too much solar radiation in the Summers, and the ice sheets & permafrost begin to melt, you destabilize the weather and the type of havoc we've been seeing with 100 year storms happening every other year...unusually cooler Summers, then really hot ones...then cool ones again...harsh Winters...all are indications that our climate is getting whacked and our ice/ocean ratio is being upset and not in a good way.

With the thinning thermosphere we have (generally) hotter Summers and reliably colder Winters. Just like if you had a tar paper shack with thinning insulation. It would be more exposed to the extremes without protection in both seasons. When our "ice chunk on the kitchen counter" (polar ice sheets) reach a crucial smaller size, you can expect reliably hotter Summers (possibly unbearably hot) and reliably colder Winters, as our thermosphere continues to thin.
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It's not thinning. What is the atmospheric pressure in terms of psia at an altitude of 60 miles ?? How is this related to the density of the atmosphere at that altitude ?? Why would a change in atmospheric pressure of 3% of ~ 2 X 10 exp (-5) psia have any effect on the average temperature of the globe ??

https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7e...de54f87b9e.pdf

Befuddled Alien · Dec 28, 2016

AFM said: ↑

It's not thinning.
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As usual .. actual science disagrees with you.

Increasing Greenhouse Gases Lead to Dramatic Thinning of the Upper Atmosphere

AFM · Dec 28, 2016

Befuddled Alien said: ↑

As usual .. actual science disagrees with you.

Increasing Greenhouse Gases Lead to Dramatic Thinning of the Upper Atmosphere
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It's not thinning. What is the atmospheric pressure in terms of psia at an altitude of 60 miles ?? How is this related to the density of the atmosphere at that altitude ?? Why would a change in atmospheric pressure of 3% of ~ 2 X 10 exp (-5) psia have any effect on the average temperature of the globe ??

https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7e...de54f87b9e.pdf

I'd suggest actually reading the article that you linked to. And reading the OP.

Bowerbird · Dec 28, 2016

Silhouette said: ↑

As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to thin from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

"But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.

As the atmosphere, which acts like a shield and blanket at the same time, begins to disappear from destructive chemical reactions caused by things men are doing on the earth's surface, you would expect colder winters as CLIMATE CHANGE continues (not "Warming" per se)

In the Winter, with a thinner "blanket" you would expect colder-colds. In the Summer, guess what we find? Warmer warms as the shield function of our atmosphere thins.

I guess some people think it's fun to look at climate change like an infant. That way the pesky little details of what's actually happening can be denied. That way, industry doesn't have to encounter the hassles and expense of complying with global climate practices aimed at saving our planet. The simple minded greedy apes just want their bunches of bananas. They don't want to hear about the inconvenient details of how their greed is destroying their home.

"But for awhile there we were having much cooler Summers than normal!"..

Yes, yes we were. Again, climate change deniers will have to stretch their taxed little brains further to understand the "silly" science behind all the mystery.

Water, which is also ice, which makes up the ice caps on both poles of our planet, is a funny element. It has what is known in chemistry as a "high specific heat". What that means is, that it takes a lot of energy to change it from a solid to a liquid, a liquid to a gas, or a gas to a plasma. Many other compounds or elements do not need as much heat as water to do this. As an element or molecule, like water, approaches a phase change from solid ice to liquid water, it takes on the most energy in the form of heat to complete the phase change.

So, to put that in layman's terms, while the Summer's were cooler, the ice caps' acceleration in melting were "stealing the heat" from the atmosphere....which we all felt on our skins as "a cooler Summer". "So climate change isn't really happening!!" Except that it is. Just not the neat little way that most minds would like to box it in.

Do three experiments at home that will help you understand the full scope of how our climate is changing for the worse as far as organic life is concerned.

1. The ice cube experiment. Put an ice chunk on the counter in a warm home. Hold your hand away from it. Then hold your hand near it. As your hand comes near to it, but doesn't actually touch it, you will feel cold. That is because as the ice melts, it is stealing heat from the immediate surroundings, including your hand as it approaches. Put a fan behind the ice chunk next. Place your hand in front of the stream of air blowing past the chunk. You'll notice cold too; and this will accelerate the melting of the ice. This is how the warmer wind functions blowing across the ice caps in Summer. The size of the ice caps are their ability to make the "false cool Summers" more noticeable. As they shrink in size, these cool Summers will not be felt as widely.

2. The atmosphere "blanket" test. Now that it's Winter, you can go outside and try this simple test. Take a thick warm blanket outside and cover yourself with it as you sit for awhile in a chair. Then, take it off and replace it with a sheet. Sit for the same amount of time. Which is colder? The thinner sheet mimics the thinning atmosphere and the colder Winters showing up as the earth's climate change.

3. The atmosphere "shield" test. In Summer, go out in the middle of July on a sunny day and sit under a solid type of shelter from the sun for awhile. Then, sit under an opaque or semi-clear piece of corrugated roofing. Or just directly in the sun without any shield. Which is hotter?

For extra credit, the Winter solstice (shortest day) is near. On that day, should the sun be shining, take an automobile headlamp reflector, remove the bulb exposing just the bulb clip. Using a pair of welding glasses for safety, place a piece of paper or a small dry piece of wood in the clip. Aim the reflector directly at the sun, even later in the day if you like. DO NOT look directly at the center of the reflector or anywhere near it, even with welding glasses. It will be at its weakest and lowest potential of energy for the entire year. Wait several seconds until the wood or paper catches fire. Douse quickly with water you have nearby.

This extra credit is the key to solving both our energy crises AND climate change. The less we damage our atmosphere with chemicals related to the petroleum industry and relying on it to give us energy, the more we can slow down the damage to everything; not the least of which, ourselves.
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To answer the question in the thread title

What (*)(*)(*)(*)ing part of "average" " global" temperature is difficult to understand?

Just because you had one cold day in Kansas does not mean all of Australia has not had heat waves

Befuddled Alien · Dec 28, 2016

AFM said: ↑

It's not thinning.
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What part of "science disagrees" did you not get?

US Naval Research Laboratory said:

By analyzing changes in the orbits of the selected objects, the scientists derived the yearly average density encountered by each object. After adjusting for other factors, the data from every object indicated a long-term decline in the density of the thermosphere.This decrease in density had been predicted by theoretical simulations of the upper atmosphere's response to increasing carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.
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They say it is thinning.

AFM · Dec 28, 2016

Befuddled Alien said: ↑

What part of "science disagrees" did you not get?

They say it is thinning.
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What is the atmospheric pressure in terms of psia at an altitude of 60 miles ?? How is this related to the density of the atmosphere at that altitude ?? Why would a change in atmospheric pressure of 3% of ~ 2 X 10 exp (-5) psia have any effect on the average temperature of the globe ??

https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7e...de54f87b9e.pdf

Befuddled Alien · Dec 28, 2016

AFM said: ↑

What is the atmospheric pressure in terms of psia at an altitude of 60 miles ?? How is this related to the density of the atmosphere at that altitude ?? Why would a change in atmospheric pressure of 3% of ~ 2 X 10 exp (-5) psia have any effect on the average temperature of the globe ??
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I don't know.

Why do you feel that these questions are relevant to my point? Do the answers to these questions somehow disprove that the thermosphere is thinning? Please explain. Because if you think that they do ... then real science disagrees with you.

politicalcenter · Dec 28, 2016

It is pretty simple. When you get used to warmer temperatures your body adjusts. Then when the temperatures drop it seems colder. We always called it being climatized. My first summer in Alabama was like living in hell.

AFM · Dec 28, 2016

Befuddled Alien said: ↑

I don't know.

Why do you feel that these questions are relevant to my point? Do the answers to these questions somehow disprove that the thermosphere is thinning? Please explain. Because if you think that they do ... then real science disagrees with you.
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Look it up - I've provided the link. Then review the OP and the claim of a thinner atmosphere.

AFM · Dec 28, 2016

Befuddled Alien said: ↑

I don't know.

Why do you feel that these questions are relevant to my point? Do the answers to these questions somehow disprove that the thermosphere is thinning? Please explain. Because if you think that they do ... then real science disagrees with you.
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Look it up - I provided the link. Then review the OP - hopefully that will enhance your understanding.

politicalcenter · Dec 28, 2016

Bowerbird said: ↑

To answer the question in the thread title

What (*)(*)(*)(*)ing part of "average" " global" temperature is difficult to understand?

Just because you had one cold day in Kansas does not mean all of Australia has not had heat waves
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It isn't that cold in Kansas. The polar vortex is gone. It didn't get that cold.

Bowerbird · Dec 28, 2016

politicalcenter said: ↑

It isn't that cold in Kansas. The polar vortex is gone. It didn't get that cold.
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Apologies to everyone - got testy and was ultra tired after a long long day at work

But I have to admit I am "over" denialists telling me that because there is still some snow somewhere then global warming is a hoax

Befuddled Alien · Dec 28, 2016

AFM said: ↑

Look it up - I've provided the link. Then review the OP and the claim of a thinner atmosphere.
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You didn't answer my questions.

politicalcenter · Dec 28, 2016

Bowerbird said: ↑

Apologies to everyone - got testy and was ultra tired after a long long day at work

But I have to admit I am "over" denialists telling me that because there is still some snow somewhere then global warming is a hoax
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I'm not mad at ya. But we are going to get another winter storm coming next week. So be prepared for more nonsense. It will snow in New York most likely.

AFM · Dec 28, 2016

Befuddled Alien said: ↑

You didn't answer my questions.
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Can't help you if you won't help yourself.

Befuddled Alien · Dec 28, 2016

AFM said: ↑

Can't help you if you won't help yourself.
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That is not an answer. Were my questions not clear?

Durandal · Dec 28, 2016

My winter doesn't feel colder. We had rain on Christmas, and it was unseasonably warm all through November and into early December as well. What we seem to have is more extremes, more wild fluctuations, during the winter, at least in my part of the country.

AFM · Dec 28, 2016

Befuddled Alien said: ↑

That is not an answer. Were my questions not clear?
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You can answer your own questions by reviewing the OP and understanding the point that was made about a thinning atmosphere.

Natural Citizen · Dec 29, 2016

Of couse, climate change is real. The climate has been changing forever. Sometimes it's warm, somtimes it's cold. Sometimes it's wet and sometimes it's dry. Duh.

Natural Citizen · Dec 29, 2016

The next pole shift might reset things, though. At least on Earth anyway. That oughtta be a hoot.

Zorro · Dec 29, 2016

Bowerbird said: ↑

Apologies to everyone - got testy and was ultra tired after a long long day at work

But I have to admit I am "over" denialists telling me that because there is still some snow somewhere then global warming is a hoax
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Rare coast-to-coast cold snap to engulf Lower 48 late next week

Temperatures 30 to 50 degrees colder than normal, the cold snap will be most remarkable for the vast amount of the country it is predicted to cover.

Cliff Mass, an atmospheric science professor, wrote that the cold snap could be far colder than we have seen in many years.

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-potential-for-major-cold-spell-in.html

Matt Rogers, a meteorologist with Commodity Weather Group, said it takes a rare jet stream to deliver cold air to both coasts simultaneously. Typical jet stream wavelengths are too narrow to allow cold outbreaks to reach coast-to-coast nearly simultaneously, he said. The width of this upper level trough pattern is impressively large.

sawyer · Dec 30, 2016

HereWeGoAgain said: ↑

Global warming isn't even questioned any longer. Your statement is total fantasy,

And we have over 90% confidence that humans play a significant role in changing the climate. That is the only point of contention - how significant our role

Do you guys just spout this nonsense out of fear? Can't deal with the real world so you create a fantasy world of your own?
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