Demonization Works. Hold Islam Accountable.

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  1. tsuke

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    Demonization Works

    Let me begin with my central thesis. Demonization is a valid and effective tool in changing the behavior of a given person or group. In this case speaking of Muslims. Whenever a terrorist attack happens leftist commentators inevitably point out that if it is a white person who is caught he would be declared a lone wolf, but if it were an Islamic person the blame would spread to the entire religion. They then proceed to point out how evil the right is for doing this and how counterproductive it is. Of course no mention as to how the terrorists are almost always Muslims but we will get to that later.

    First off I want to show how collective punishment does work to change behavior. If you have ever been in the military or any similar institution you may remember the entire platoon being forced to run or do push-ups or given extra duties for the infractions of a few. The result is the members of the group try to get less infractions so that their unit gets punished less.

    In the Philippines, India, and other third world countries there are community lending programs which lend to a group instead of an individual. Each member of the group would get their individual loans and each would be responsible for paying it back. If one member failed to repay their loan then the entire group would be punished by getting denied loans in the future. The result is that the group members themselves, often from the same community and in some cases the same family pressured the members to pay on behalf of the bank and there was a higher repayment rate. The funds ended up being used for business as well as there was an extra consequence of squandering it.

    Consider North Carolina in America. The Governor did something the left did not agree with and businesses punished the state. This of course punished the workers for the actions of the state. As a result the state rescinded the laws and it sent a chilling effect to other states.

    The liberal media attempts it all the time as well. You see headlines saying a certain survey shows all Trump voters are racist, all republicans are uneducated, and every other possible variation to imply that if you vote democrat then you are a great person but if you vote republican you are a terrible one. These are of course the very same people who tell us that demonization does not work.

    Back to Islam. If you see a terrorist attack or mass murder on tv and think that a muslim did it you would be justified in thinking so. In 2015 99% of all terrorist attacks were done by Muslims. We only have 2 isolated incidents aside from that done by communist extremists. To make it worse there is no isolated sect of Islam responsible for the bombings. Both Sunni's and Shia's have groups which do it. Even joining Islam does not save you as half the targets of the suicide bombings are fellow muslims. As you can see there is something seriously wrong with Islamic ideology so much so that even when you give the entire world to them one half would still try to kill the other for religious reasons.
    I always say that if I walk down elm street and get mugged every day I would be justified in having negative stereotypes of elm street and everyone living there. No one would complain if I reroute to another street particularly if I don't get mugged there every day. The same analogy applies to terrorism and Islam.

    What do we want to achieve by doing this? The first and best result would always be to wean its followers away from Islam. This hurts the terrorists the most as while they believe in Islam they also use its moderates as a shield to prevent the authorities from clamping down harder on them. The less adherents of Islam there is the weaker terrorists become as they have less places to hide. The next thing we want to achieve is to turn the moderates of Islam against the extremists. It has been reported that most radicalization occurs in mosques and other areas populated almost exclusively by Muslims. Showing the moderates that they are in a way tainted by association with the extremists would encourage them to turn them in more and to counsel against radicalization. Lastly we also hope that the extremists themselvess see that the reputation of Islam as a whole is suffering because of them.

    Do not feel guilty for holding Islam accountable because of the actions of its followers. Remember the people who justify the suicide bombings are among those who have studied the Quran the longest. Pointing out the flaws of the religion may be the only thing that can save it, if indeed it can be saved.
     
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    Islam and secular western culture are incompatible.
     
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    world would be a different place if it was compatible imagine the west giving muslims the same treatment they are giving to christians in most of the midle eastern countrys

    no mosques allowed ever in christian countrys, no exceptions in food or anything they get now due religious reasons(no halal meat for example)
    death penalty or live prison for anybody caught preaching islam in western countries, they sure love doing that in arabia and other countries
    executing and commiting genocide on them when they can (syria)

    islam is a backward ideology that has no place in the west, and they should stick it back where it came from,
    if your following a religion based on a book that is filled with hatred, voilence and holy wars on non believers then you got no right to complain when people look at you with suspicion and discriminate you for it.
    any muslim you dont know is a potential terrorist/fanatic first and potential innocent after aslong as they follow this book/ideology. as you are following a religion of hate, in the end all they have to do is take some passages literal for it to go potentially wrong.

    if they take the new testament seriously in christianity you got annoyng people that come to your door preaching the love of jezus and so on, in islam those people tend to blow up or try to
     
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    I don't blame Islam for being a violent religion I blame a violent guy for dreaming up Islam. That would be Mohammad.
     
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    I don't care if all Islam is held accountable for the actions of the radicals. It's wrong but I don't care.

    Just know that minority will in turn demonize white people.

    Muslims are terrorists/savages
    Blacks are moochers/murderers
    Mexicans are illegals/drug dealers.

    And then they see whites are root of the evil of the world. Don't many already do?
     
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    they already do anyway. In this case though there is no empirical evidence for the mexicans and the blacks. There is however empirical evidence for the muslims as in 2015 99% of all terror attacks came from islamic sources.

    If you want to bet I will bet you that the numbers will be similar for 2016.
     
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    I actually read it on your blog before I read it here! I have been getting prepared for my ban, so I am in the habit now of going to your blog to read your stuff.
     
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    99.5 percent of all terror attacks are done by men. Maybe you are looking at the wrong demographic
     
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    actually no a bunch are done by women and children too :) Ben shapiro shared a wonderful video about a muslim couple preparing to sent their pre teen daughters into a Syrian police station and then explode her by remote control. The syrian police station can be heard exploding at the end. I hope she got her 77 barbies :)
     
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    Actually the suicide bombers and dangerous radicals are considered to be ignorant about Islam.
     
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    i would like to contradict. Some of the most learned Islamic scholars have given their blessing to suicide bombings. We are not talking of western muslims here of course or western liberals who are not even muslims telling muslims that is not how their religion is practiced but rather religous scholars who have spent their whole lives studying the quran.
     
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    Like who exactly? Most Muslims that I know reject Sayyid Qutb and Hassan al Banna.
     
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    Sure. For example ayatollah khumeni used children in the tens of thousands in the iran iraq war and used them as suicide bombers and he is a ranking shia leader. On the sunni side you have abu bakr bassayir too. These are religous scholars who study the quran day in day out.
     
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    You are free to demonize a religion if you wish. But you can't beat over a billion people. If a billion people really wanted you dead you would be dead. The truth is they don't. They just want to worship in peace. But go ahead make a billion people your enemy....but you are just guaranteeing your own destruction.
     
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    I never heard of tens of thousands of child suicide bombers in Iran.. Do you have some documentation of that claim?
     
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    yet 99% of terrorists and suicide bombers uniformly come from that religion. It is time to be honest and say there is a problem with it.
     
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    Be as honest as you like. Go to war with a billion people and you lose.
     
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    or convince them there is a problem with their religion. without honest diagnosis there can be no cure.
     
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    Yeah you work on that. So far most of the connvincing has come at the end of a gun. If you want to change an entire religion you are fooling yourself. You know they tried that with christanity.....how did that work out?
     

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