Why I'm Calling BS on "Russian Hacking" Prop

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  1. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    The claim is 17 US intelligence agencies agree the Russian's hacked the DNC & Podesta emails. 17 agencies.
    What seems unclear is these agencies agreeing on the intent of the 'hacking', although the media narrative is the Russians, specifically Putin, were supporting Trump. The media message in that is this; if not for the EVIL RUSSIANS Hillary would have won. Therefore, now that he has won, Trump is a Putin puppet.

    Ok....now....lets contrast this to the issue of SoS Clinton's private, unsecured server. The FBI "investigated" for months & months. Yet, even after, when Comey described in detail the multiple transgressions they discovered, wouldn't recommend charges to the DOJ because, as he said, they couldn't PROVE intent. And, during the entire time this "investigation" took place not ONE national security agency raised any flags about Clinton's unsecured server. Not ONE!

    Now, you tell me, what do you suppose the Russians would value most, secret info exchanged by the SoS of United States or John Podesta's emails? Clinton, the DNC & Podesta all used unsecured, easily hack-able communication systems. So, when days AFTER the election of DJT, 17 agencies suddenly decide "the Russians", and not just the Russians but the top level of the Russian government, Putin, are responsible for all the hacking....and even if that's trus (which I doubt) a giant piece of the puzzle is missing. And, that piece is made up of SoS Clinton's UNSECURED email communications.

    Something in all this smells like BS & it's coming from the top levels of DC.
     
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    mbk734 Well-Known Member

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    This is all under Obama's watch. Obama obviously wants to protect Hillary and make Trump look bad because it makes Obama look better. Trump will have the agencies doing his bidding in a couple weeks. Time is running out for Obama and he is making the most of it.
     
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    These 17 agencies coordinated their efforts in 2014.. Charlie Rose had a show about it months ago. The 4 big hackers are Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. If I could find the program on PBS, I would post it for you.
     
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    There is no reason to believe anything claimed by obama, his politicized intelligence "community",or the lap dog media. They have lied so much that anything they claim should be dismissed unless they can lay out an iron clad case for their claims. They have zero credibility.
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    OH no, time is on Obama's side.... so are many of the Fed agency heads, the media & the alt-left. So yea, he'll be out of WH, but he's planting himself in DC & isn't going away.
     
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    Obama twisting his panties in a knot and throwing a tantrum. He knows the end is here, he squandered his presidency, and Trump is most likely going to hit the delete button on much of it.
     
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    That sounds about right.It was a couple years ago that Obama gave
    some sort of Authority { Executive order } for Agencies like the CIA to
    openly use Propaganda as a tool.Making it policy to have Fake news
    Implimented.Which is what we have seen in the MSM.
     
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    You'll want to watch this on PBS Charlie Rose.


    See Transcript


    Wednesday 10/12/2016

    John Carlin, who is about to step down as assistant attorney general for national security, discusses terrorism and cyber security
     
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    And you can source that claim of course right?

    Please do
     
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    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    So.....why now, only AFTER the DNC & Podesta exposure & AFTER Hillary goes down in flames is "Russian hacking" made public & punishable? And, where's the consensus among these 17 agencies about whether Hillary's server was or wasn't hacked by Russia or some other foriegn country? Can you explain that? I mean, if Russia or China wanted valuable info, wouldn't the unsecured server of the US SoS be the obvious target? Or did these 17 agencies just overlook that server issue?
     
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    This is not in dispute. Nor is the fact that Obama has utterly failed to protect the country against cyber threats during his 8 years in the office, that his spineless policies and broken red lines have strengthened and emboldened each and every one of the countries listed in your quote.

    What's also NOT in dispute is that on November 8th the American people voted, their votes were counted and Trump won fair and square and with a huge electoral vote landslide - the only vote that counts.
     
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    If the Russians had been the ones hacking the DNC emails, they's still be sitting on them. At the time Hillary was the odds on favorite. Having dirt on a sitting President would give Putin yuuge power. From the Russian perspective, it would be silly to waste such potential power trying to influence an election with a foregone winner.
     
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    Cut the crap, Borat..

    You'll want to watch this on PBS Charlie Rose.


    See Transcript


    Wednesday 10/12/2016

    John Carlin, who is about to step down as assistant attorney general for national security, discusses terrorism and cyber security

    [video=youtube;LzANkIfJi1c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzANkIfJi1c[/video]
     
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    I suspect that they delayed their briefing to Friday because their "proof" is garbage, but we will see. Trump will get a first hand look at the quality of their work and if their analysis flows naturally from the date, or if they have become heavily politicized clowns that make a lot of money but really don't have a stinkin clue about what is actually going on.

    If they lay a goose egg, look for Trump To Restructure and Pare Back The CIA And The ODNI.

    US intelligence may have become bloated and politicized, and a good pruning may make it Great Again!

    They have claimed that the Russian government hacked emails of Democratic groups and John Podesta and then leaked them to WikiLeaks and others in an effort to help Trump win the White House, if they have no actual evidence of this, a sound Trump-sized ass kicking will likely follow.

    At Trump's side at the Friday briefing will by his national security adviser, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who had served as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and has a sharp nose for BS. Also evaluating the "Intelligence" Services will be Rep. Mike Pompeo (R., Kan.), who Mr. Trump has selected to run the CIA.

    If the "intelligence" agencies turn out to be pedaling a pack of lies, with no support, look for Trump to cut back on staffing at its Virginia headquarters and pushing more people out into field posts around the world where they can do, you know, actually intelligence gathering.

    Democrats have already gone on record accusing the FBI of being so politicized that Comey's reopening of the Clinton email server case cost her the presidency. If Trump finds that the CIA is politicized, telling lies without support, it will be fun to watch Dems go to mat to defend the CIA, and of course lose.

    Trump has long been skeptical of the CIA’s accuracy given the faulty intelligence in 2002 and 2003 concerning Iraq’s weapons programs.

    The heads of the CIA, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper were supposed to present their case on Wednesday, but have since asked for a delay until Friday. Apparently, despite all their mouthing off, they still need more time to build a case.

    Flynn will lead the White House’s National Security Council, giving him broad influence in military and intelligence decisions throughout the government. He is also a believer in rotating senior intelligence agencies into the field, where they do actual work, and reducing headquarters staff.
     
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    Why would I want to watch what absolutely everyone knows and no one really disputes, that Russia, China, North Korea, Iran are bad and dangerous countries and that they resort to computer hacking.

    My concern is that Obama has left the country unprotected against cyber threats, that he was weak and ineffective and let these rogue states do whatever they wanted, that they are all emboldened and strengthened due to Obama's indecisiveness and that now he is throwing a temper tantrum about the result of the election which Trump won fair and square, the American people cast their votes for him and no one disputes that fact. I have to presume the documentary does not address these issues, right?
     
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    Maybe, but the DNC emails have no real attachment to Hillary & neither do Podesta's. Her SoS server emails on the other hand....now that would have been the real leverage over Hillary as president. So, if anything they would have wanted her elected.
    It's all very weird, but somethings going on.
     
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    Then you really don't want to know HOW its being done and the changes since 2014.

    [video=youtube;LzANkIfJi1c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzANkIfJi1c[/video]
     
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    You can call BS all you want but you are still wronger than wrong.
     
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    Terrific post. We'll see what happens after Friday's meeting (if it ever really happens), but it's pretty clear something stinks to high heaven about all this "Russian hacking" VS the elections business. None of it fits.

    - - - Updated - - -

    About what? No BS, be specific?
     
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    I know how it's done. A moron like Podesta has a password which is the word [gasp] "password", another moron like an incompetent network/security admin employed by incompetent/negligent Hillary does not require the users to have even minimally strong passwords and change them on a regular basis.... And before you know, the collusion between Hillary, the DNC and the media is exposed to the entire world and the american people refuse to vote for corrupt arrogant criminals, regardless of who exposed them.
     
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    No it isn't. I haven't heard one person on the left say that. The only people making that claim are Trumpers. It is a false narrative intended to distract people from the fact that Trump will cozy up and sell out to anyone who strokes him, even enemies of the US.

    In 2010, Trump said Assange should be executed for what he's done. Now Trump is singing his praises.
     
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    Or, what hasn't been done....which is more to the point.
     
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    Well yea...unless they wanted her opponent to win...there's that
     
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    THERE IS NO DELAY in the briefing. It was always scheduled for Friday. Trump's Twitter had a spat of diarrhea.
     
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    I agree however, the same is true about the entire establishment .. both Red an Blue. The Pentagon, NSA, CIA (and so on) are huge liars, who misrepresent the truth and spend a good deal of their time creating propaganda (and thus have no credibility).

    The Russians are an enemy but, they are an enemy that we know. Far more dangerous is the enemy that we do not know.

    The American people are starting to figure out that the establishment does not have their best interest in mind but, they have little understanding of what the establishment actually is or how they operate so they will not be able to change much.
     

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