6 Shot at Memorial For Victim of Chicago Gun Violence

6 Shot at Memorial For Victim of Chicago Gun Violence
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/five-shot-park-manor-chicago-411822845.html

How sad it must be for families and others in these urban chicago neighborhoods where their children are afraid to walk to school. Where fatherless kids listen to gang members as their mentors and "family."
Where last night friends and family of a gun shot victim gathered together for a memorial and then another gang drives by and shoots up the whole gathering indiscriminately wounding six people including a 12 year old girl.

> And there is more anger towards cops than city officials or the gangs themselves?
> And already a huge backlash against Trump for threatening to bring in federal reserves to help police the streets?
> But no one said 'boo' about Obama's complacency for the last 8 years on all this?

How can the horrors of gang violence be so ignored (by and large) by our congress, our president, and our state officials? How can we do so little? This should be the number one domestic issue to overcome. Not global warming or green jobs or animal care or transgender bathrooms or bringing in more Syrian refugees. I am really perplexed.

 

It's not being ignored by our current President. He put Chicago on notice, either clean up the crime, or he'll send in the Feds to keep the peace. Obama didn't do a damn thing about the rising Chicago crime violence.

Chicago should be a cautionary tale for what happens when you get rid of the white majority and keep Democrats in power forever. And they wonder why so many in the country don't want to follow the Democratic way?

 

Here's how to clean up Chicago....

1. Gangs sell drugs to get money/power. Legalize drugs, distribute them to addicts in check-in hospital facilities (cannabis and the like legalize for commercial sale)
2. Have police confiscate ALL guns from any gang member they see. (Feds can assist with this if needed)
3. Transform public education from uncountable to the Finnish model, low class sizes, PhD qualified teachers, and extend the school day/eliminate homework.


These should get Chicago on track, and any other violent/gang infested place for that matter. Let's see if they're serious about helping their citizens.

 

I've been reading a lot of nonsense from you lately. But with this post i fully agree.

 

Haha, well glad we agree here. It's basic common sense, but politicians are invested in "fighting crime" for eternity, not solving it makes them $$$$

 

You will have to convince me legalizing drugs is the best thing for this nation, surely not the most moral thing to do.

But I agree with your other strategies. Thanks,

 

Chicago seems to be the poster child for the Democratic party, it is their greatest success outdoing even Baltimore and St Louis

 

Making police deal with arresting drug users is wrong because police are law enforcers, not social engineers. All the studies globally show the drug war is not productive, so it's best to give them the drugs in a supervised facility. Takes them off the streets, and eliminates the cash flow to gangs. That's how they make all their money.

 

The problem is it's also how the Cops make most of their money. That and Civil Forfeiture that is....

 

Uh, better idea...

Gangs and gang members are already known to police.

Arrest them all and literally charge very single gang member, and every single person who even looks like they belong in a gang, with every single crime where it can be proven a gang member was involved.

Charge every single one of them as a single unit, RICO their asses.

Since the crimes will include multiple counts of felony murder, sentence them all with the death penalty.

Yea, we need to exterminate gangs - not reform, not reeducate ...exterminate.

They are a plague worse than cancer and we've indulged them for far too long.

Its time to get tough.

We need to declare these gangs a domestic terrorist organization and threat to national security that way we can avoid any Constitutional issues when it comes to rounding them up and rounding up anybody who imitates their behavior.

And in Chicago specifically the problem is, of course, Black gangs - so after all the gangs have been dealt with we're going to have to take the same vicious approach to the culture of violence ghettoism thuggery and all around degeneracy that destroys so many Black neighborhoods.

These people need to be educated on how to be normal so that they have to make a much further leap in order to descend into gang mentality in the first place.

Because as it stands that culture of violence ghettoism thuggery and such is just one giant stepping stone to criminality.

 

Legalize drugs? You want crack and meth on corners? No deal

I'm with you on that, but how? Right now Chicago has stop and frisk but the paperwork makes it a formidable task. And to do this blacks would need to be the most likely targets of any stops and frisks and you know how that goes.

It's not the schools, per se, it the attitude and culture. Did you see the black honor student kid being beat up by other blacks for no other reason than he made the honor roll? Maybe if we tied government benefits to student grades and criminal activity that might help. Give the parents a carrot if their kid does well in school, give them the stick if he's a thug with a criminal record.

 

Why can't you confiscate all drugs or legalize all guns? Chicago has the strictest gun laws in America last I checked. If legalizing drugs is a solution, so shall legalizing arms, no?

 

I'm too young to remember how they stopped the mafias, but shouldn't it work kind of the same to stop gangs? Don't get me wrong, I'm with you 100%, I'm just curious how they stopped the mafia.

 

Detroit... don't forget Detroit!

 

330 Million + to 5.4 million... Why compare the two?

 

You think gang members should have guns? Wow.

 

Crack and Meth would be given out at in patient clinics, addicts won't be roaming the streets but checking themselves into clinics while using. You'll never stop drug use, and prohibition gets people killed.

Stop and frisk doesn't work to get guns off the streets. Gun buy back programs work, NYPD does this often. Nobody said it would be easy, but we have to get guns out of the hands of gang members.

We want to discourage the use of benefits and encourage education, so I think once the violence slows down, kids will get back to learning. I don't like the carrot and stick analogy, treat people like animals and that's what they'll become. I think the Finnish model works well, and holds schools and students accountable.

 

I have an idea, let’s wall off the Southside, which is where most these shootings are taking place, place a full blockage, and let the people go Lord of the Files.

 

I think Obama should run for Mayor and fix Chicago like he fixed our health care.

 

Exactly, they abuse the system, and profit from it. On the flip, they also should not have to deal with persona, social issues. That's not for them, but we expect them to arrest anyone with a problem, be it mental, drug addiction, prostitutes, etc.

 

I would laugh at the irony if this weren't such a tragedy.

 

Trump is going to fix Chicago and also the Flint Michigan toxic water problem. America is going to be made great again even if they have to be dragged in kicking and screaming.

 

Do you always equate what individuals do that don't vote, on a political party? Did the GOP cause the Apollo mission to the Moon to succeed? Such syllogistic fallacies..

 

Ha, I wasn't even born during that era but essentially RICO was how the war on the mafia was won.

The doubled edged sword of the Constitution was apparent in the modern age after a complex web of laws, and a corrupt approach to "get the guy off" in the practice of law, ended up giving as much protection to criminals as it did the innocent - sometimes even more.

The mafia was little more than a collection of brain-dead thugs but enough smart people at the very top realize that all they had to do to insulate themselves was to exploit the law, and the most easily exploitable way to exploit the law at the time was in the area of witness testimony.

They discourage any of their soldiers from talking about crimes by simply saying we'll kill you and kill your family, and of course they discouraged any outside witness testimony by the same threat or by actually killing them before they could even talk.

There is a lot more than that but the most basic element at work was that the exploitation of law and the inability for prosecution to penetrate the protections the law gave criminals of even the most murderous breed.

RICO was how the tide was turned.

RICO basic said "if we can charge one we can charge them all".

Because after all these people were operating as a single unit and therefore it was perfectly reasonable as well as lawful to treat them as a single unit rather than as individuals.

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I could go on and on about how laws in the current age have become even more criminal aligned and we see evidence of this every day; Holders protection of BLM NBPP and such, sanctuary cities, "affluenza", affirmative defense, etc.

And even the use of RICO against gangs would be subject to the same corrupt use of law to protect criminals.

But none the less it should be done these gangs are out of control and nothing that anybody has done up to this point has even made a dent in their ability to operate.

 

Would this not simply result in clinics being more aggressively targeted for robbery?

And pray tell how do these buy back programs actually "work" as you claim? Most firearms are turned over by those who do not have a disqualifying criminal record that would prohibit them from firearms ownership in the first place. Furthermore it has been noted in numerous instances that most firearms surrendered to these programs are either broken, unserviceable, antiquated, or otherwise stolen from their rightful owners for the purpose of exchanging for whatever monetary pittance is being offered for them.

To put things in perspective. Firearm buy back programs may result in a few hundred firearms being turned in for destruction, provided sufficient funding has been allotted to the program. However, the FBI has been releasing monthly background check figures, demonstrating records being set on firearms purchases. The numbers during these records months have been run and tallied, and assuming that only ninety percent of the background checks reported were allowed to proceed, and resulted in the sale of only one firearm per background check, there are approximately forty one thousand more firearms being bought and sold on a daily basis in the united states.

Forty one thousand firearms sold per day. That is more than one thousand seven hundred firearms being sold in any given hour. Although allowing for a business day of only eight hours, it is more accurate to say that over five thousand firearms are being bought and sold each hour.