A Trump administration thaw with Russia is ‘unacceptable,’ McCain says

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  1. One Mind

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    Then McCain needs to fight his own foreign policy which is indistinguishable from tyranny. What in the hell does he think our actions are? The man is too old, and should have never been elected again. I still remember the pic of him standing with what would become radical muslims. The man is unfit to serve ,for he has lost his connection with reality. He is one of these perpetual war for perpetual peace neocons, the most dangerous breed we have seen in awhile.
     
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    I guess it's a good thing we didn't elect McCain then as POTUS.
     
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    ,he blubbers with a shaky voice.
     
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    1....You speak as if Sunni differ from the Alawites as ... as a Republican from a Democrat. :smile:.....Couldn't you think so, really? ( there is a sawdust in my shaggy head, but even I do not think so. )

    2..If Obama wanted the same thing as you, then he would first find such a leader, and only then began to smash Syria (Assad's regime). Is not it?
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    Obama is not trying to overthrow Assad by military means.

    Senator McCain did go to Syria with the idea of finding good leaders. That trip was not successful in doing that. Had strong leadership been found, a different direction than our current direction might have been considered.

    The US has worked with Russia to create a transition in Syria - at a minimum requiring Assad to step down. Smashing the government there is seen as a big mistake, but the view is that terrorism and revolution will continue as long as Assad is in power.
     
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    McCains constituents (in a very red state as well) obviously listen to him because he just got re-elected to another term in office.
     
  7. The Mello Guy

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    Are you still tired of it? Lol
     
  8. Merwen

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    We're really not in a good position to dictate things to Russia, as they are a major world power just like we are. So is China and so are several other countries.

    What we need to do IMO is show enough territorial respect that other major powers do not feel that they need to be heavy handed with their nearby neighbors in order to create controllable, self protective buffer zones between themselves and other major power systems, such as ours.

    We can no longer assume that we are led by idealistic elites that are looking out for what is best for the planet as a whole. That might have been true in WWII but it no longer seems to be the case. Possibly the change in family sizes and the personalities associated with different birth orders has something to do with that. China will soon be presenting the planet with the result of so many privileged "only child" birth order adults...I hope it won't be too alarming.
     
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    China is a world power. Russia used to be part of a world power, and now is not.


     
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    However, it is still a very significant military power compared to the rest of the world.
     
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    I wander if people will ever wake up? This has been building up since 9/11. People think the president is the one with power, he is just a spokesman for those behind the curtain.

    Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Trump, they all are doing as their told. American people are flipping morons. Sitting there fighting with each other instead of demanding an entirely new White House. I truly hope America is destroyed very soon. Just tired of dumb people. HELLO how many recent presidents have been at war? And where did those wars take place? Do you get the picture yet, or do you still let delusion cloud your ignorant minds. There is no republican or democrat in Washington, you f()()()ing idiots.

    Innocent people are being slaughtered and Americans only care about their f()()()ing healthcare. You pieces of s()()t.
    I wander if people will ever wake up? This has been building up since 9/11. People think the president is the one with power, he is just a spokesman for those behind the curtain.

    Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Trump, they all are doing as their told. American people are flipping morons. Sitting there fighting with each other instead of demanding an entirely new White House. I truly hope America is destroyed very soon. Just tired of dumb people. HELLO how many recent presidents have been at war? And where did those wars take place? Do you get the picture yet, or do you still let delusions cloud your ignorant minds. There is no republican or democrat in Washington, you f()()()ing idiots.

    Innocent people are being slaughtered and Americans only care about their f()()()ing healthcare. You pieces of s()()t.
     
  12. WillReadmore

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    A good start would be to stop increasing the size of our military while decreasing our interest in negotiation.

    Once we build gigantic stockpiles of cruise missiles, incredible bombing capability, lethal drones, etc., there really is no way to stop using them.

    Like with Assad, Libya, etc., we see something that is morally repugnant, and it becomes incredibly hard not to just push some buttons to eliminate stuff.

    Tell me it doesn't feel good to blow up the base where Assad launched more gas attacks against civilians.

    So, we have seriously stepped up our military action with way more bombs, etc., in the ME than under Obama (even). And, I'll bet most citizens aren't even aware of it.

    And, we have no plan at all, and it appears we have no interest in HAVING a plan.
     
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    Because Trump didn't just order a cruise missile strike on Russia's ally, Syria, right? Try to stay CURRENT, and no one gives a crap what McCain says.
     
  14. jrr777

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    I can somewhat agree with that. But I think the most important area is military soldiers themselves. I mean, when somebody tells you to go kill people (100's of thousands) and people do it without questioning, that's where the problem is. They don't even want military personal (soldiers) expressing their political views and opinions. Killing people for honor and glory, those days should have been over a long time ago.

    It is our military men and women who need to check themselves. They are only convinced they are fighting for the country, which requires self defense, not on the offense for 100 years now. If we allowed them to express how they feel about going to war (killing people) then more of the truth would necessarily have to be revealed.

    I'll try to put it a better way. If the American people and military men and women knew the truth (classified top secret), then we would know what we was fighting for. They tell us we can't know the truth because if they gave it to us the enemy would know. I say, let them know.... what are they going to do? And we would not only know the truth but war and killing would only come, on behalf of fighting for the truth.
     
  15. WillReadmore

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    I totally agree with you on the "what the heck are we doing" front.

    Our nation works by having citizens involved. That's a fundamental.

    Having leadership tell us that we can't know what it is that we're doing, what our plans are, is a serious problem for our form of government.

    Obviously there is intel that we're not going to have, but we have congressional committees that are fully on the inside.
     
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    Don't worry I'm sure he got permission first. Putin knows his puppet is drowning in failure.
     

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