Hamas accepts Palestinian state with 1967 borders

You didn't really think so.

 

Negative.
I stated wikipedia is the source, and that this is mentioned on the page about the nakba.

You are bringing up a genocidal example as a valid option.

I do not care. The definition is the definition. And this is it:
http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printerfriendly.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Dawayima_massacre

You lost the courtcase

 

I said where you can find it. Stop being an utter troll please.

It's obvious that you are rewriting history and you're downplaying the warcrimes of the Jews.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...h-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

Negative. The Arabs demanded the right for self determination. And since Arabs were by far in the majority of the most parts of Israel, means that there would be hardly any Israel left to speak off. Hence the west, with it's holocaust-guilt-trip, gerrymandered the land and with a majority in the UN, veto powers, and a violent vivid culture of invading and colonizing, over ruled the Arabs and their own rules of international law.

WTF you on about. The right of self determination is something the west and Jews never applied to the indigenous population of present day Israel. The western countries simply decided for them where the borders are going to be, and Gerrymandered the land like that.

That Israeli proposition was about be to ethnic cleanse all of Gaza and push Arabs to an unspecified area, that they refused to disclose where to. This got rejected because Jews making Arab civilians walk a death march into the desert was not going to happen. Obviously. But here you go claiming this ethnic cleansing theme of the Jews and making a death march happen, was a good solution.

Totally irrelevant. The starting position is that the civil rights of the indigenous population is protected. No Israeli proposal came anywhere close to that.

 

I told you where to find it all along.

So after the Nakba there were like just over a 100,000 Arabs, and 70 years later its 1700,000 Arabs. As if. You are just inventing numbers to downplay the warcrimes committed by the Jew.

 

“Israel today concentrates the genius of the Jews. Obscured by the prevalent media narrative of the “war-torn” Middle East, Israel’s rarely-celebrated feats of commercial, scientific, and technological creativity climax the Jews’ twentieth-century saga of triumph over tragedy. Today tiny Israel, with its population of 7.23 million, five and one-half million Jewish, is second only the United States in technological contributions. In per capita innovation, Israel dwarfs all nations. The forces of civilization in the world continue to feed upon the intellectual wealth epitomized by Israel.

Today in the Middle East, Israeli wealth looms palpably and portentously over the middens of Arab poverty. But dwarfing Israel’s own wealth is Israel’s contribution to the world economy, stemming from Israeli creativity and entrepreneurial innovation. Israel’s technical and scientific gifts to global progress loom with similar majesty over all others’ contributions with the sole exception of the United States.”

Excerpt From: Gilder, George. “The Israel Test.”

''Tis is what Israel gives to the world.

What do Palestinians give to the world? Uhm... a... well... er...

 

So you are deliberately misunderstanding, okay, I get it. you are sooooooooooooo transparent.

 

shhssshhhhhhhhh,, don't tell the jew haters and virulent anti-zionists its their own damn fault.

 

Nope. I'm trying to run your figures. When there was a certain number of Palestinians in 1946 in present day Israel, and I subtract the amount of Palestinians who got ethnic cleansed out of Israel. Than you end up with the amount of Palestinians in 1949. And you think it is plausible that number rose to 1.7 million Palestinians in present day Israel?

Frankly. That is impossible. Your numbers are as wrong as your previous claim of 30%.
And my source in post 503 says totally different.

 

Yoohoo, go back four of my posts ago. If you can't figure the math. nice obfuscation tho, but you deliberately do that to keep your nonsense coming.

Adios

 

Likewise to Israel and '67 borders,
I could accept a at 54'40" instead of the current 49th.
Plus an Alaskan corridor of course.

Moi

r > g

​

 

And where was the right of the jews to self-determination/self-rule? Why didn't the arabs there make a counter offer, instead of starting a war?

What indigenous, non-muslim populations across the mideast have not had their sovereign rights stolen by the arab muslims? Have there ever been any?

Why don't the chaldeans, assyrians, coptics, maronites, etc, all of whom LONG predate the arab muslims, not have self-rule?

You're pretending to give a shyte about that? Since when? You have ZERO credibility.

 

That's dangerously close to incitement to genocide.

 

yer just damn lucky we didn't go for the 40th when we had you on the run back in the day. (oops, er,sorry eh, didn't mean to offend)

 

the UN Trusteeship Council does NOT manage or oversee Mandates.

They oversee Trusteeship Agreements, which Palestine never had.

 

I already replied to such claim. Plear re-read comnent #486: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...h-1967-borders.503632/page-25#post-1067439455

 

That is a LIE, as Article 80 is part of Chapter 12, which is titled "The International Trusteeship System".


you fail again.

 

I see that you need one more time the explenation about Article 80 as I gave you in the other thread that we talked about it. Once again:
Article 80:

Which means, Article 80 states that the trusteeship system that been placed in each territory as it was detalied in Artice 77a:

and until such Mandates have been concluded, nothing shell be constructed in or of this Chapter (the chapter that Article 80 is in) to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any peoples ot the terms of existing international instruments.
The Mandate is international instrument, and according to Article 80 of the UN Charter, a I presented here, until the rights and the term that were stated in such international instruments could not be alter in any manner until they will be concluded. The UN has yet to conclude the document of the Mandate, even though it concluded the British Mandate.

Source: http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-xii/

 

very dishonest of you to replace the word "agreements" with "Mandates".

did you think we wouldn't catch that?

"The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements"


Palestine was NEVER placed under a Trusteeship Agreement.

I win. You lose.

you don't get paid your shekels today.

LOL!!!!

 

The UN handed the responsibility of the Mandate to UNSCOP and then the Palestine Comission.

The Palestine Commission was then concluded.

you lose

 

As I already wrote to you:
Article 77 is stating that the trusteeship system is applied on, among others, territories held under Mandates established by the League of Nations after the First World War. Hence, it did apply to the document of the Mandate, which was created after the World War I and was adopted by the League of Nations. Article 80, by citing 77, ,is only saying that such Article (Article 80) apllies on teritories that were placed under mandates. Therefore, Article 80 is talking directly on the document of the Mandate, like the rest of the Mandates that were existd in 1946. The issue with the document of the Mandate is ta Article, since it was never been concluded, is been protected till this day by Article 80.

 

And still Article 80 protects the rights that were graneted to the Jews over the Land of Israel in the document of the Mandate till this day, as I showed here numerous of times.

 

please see my above post for my highly appropriate response.

 

ahhh!! the tactic of Ad-hominm.
Remamber what Socrates said once:

 

Please re-read comnent #523.