PANIC AT LONDON BRIDGE London Bridge incident: Terror attack fears as van ploughs into up to 20

Haha yup they're like oh well least I get to hate on Christians

 

The Europeans cannot lose the war against the Jihadists.

But they can let it tear them apart, and things like killing the families of Jihadists would be a major step in that direction.

 

What facts, that "most" Muslims don't want sharia?

"Most" colonists didn't want to leave the British empire.

Those kind of "facts" mean nothing, they are talking points.

What matters is history, what matters is how nonmuslims live under sharia around the world

 

I'm not so sure. Maybe we can agree that both are dangerous to our way of life. The number of Muslims in our country who support jihad passively or who wish for Sharia law is frightening.

 

Right.

Facts are not talking points.

They don't. In many countries they don't live under Sharia at all. And certainly not in the West. EDIT: Oops, misread that part of the quote. True, and not important to this discussion.

 

RenoDwarf

 

I think Jihad started in the 700s after a visit to Medina. People need to take the long view including all the history from the 700s to date.

 

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A small number of IRA militants was able to force the UK to give in to its demands. I have seen official published figures indicating that there are over 20K jihadists in the UK - as many as 3K under active surveillance. Why would anyone think that the UK, given the nature of its people, government and laws, can hope to win this conflict when it could not prevail against the relatively tiny IRA?

 

The Jihadism and the Caliphs and modern Jihadism are separate phenomena. Similar, but separate.

What I mean by that is political Jihadism had died down for centuries as a real driving force, and then re-arose. It has, of course, always existed, but for most of the last century Arab Nationalism and other political movements were more powerful than Jihadism.

 

Correct. Anyone denies the US via not just influence but outright willful and stupid disruption of the balances that were in place in the ME and Africa caused most of our Islamist problems? Is a twit.

Now is it possible that some of the current challenges we all and today England are facing were bound to happen regardless of our geopolitical machinations? Maybe. Doubt it but maybe. In a 100 years maybe

I do find it indisputable that we the US and the West accelerated the natural progression of forced by refugee status or normal migration influx of Muslims to the West. Of whom Islamists hide amongst.

Concord there.. is too caught up in his history books. There's many threads where he touts them. I'm betting 100% accurate. But.. To say there has been just Western influence? Because of some hundreds of year old shenanigans with the Ottoman Empire?

Meh. Naivety at best.

 

BUT, He's a muslim...connect the dots...religion of hate

 

To begin, they didn't force the UK to give into it's demands. Ireland is still not united, which was a goal of the IRA (and part of why it still exists.)

Further, these are very different conflicts. Many Brits were already sympathetic to the goals of the IRA, if not the methods, and already wanted the same thing the Irish wanted, to pull out of most of Ireland. I think it would have happened even without the car bombings. If Scotland votes to leave next year the English are very unlikely to use force against them, car bombers or not.

What would it mean for the UK to acquiesce to Jihadist demands? We can have different interpretations of that, but I don't think the Brits are likely to meet any of the criteria we might come up with.

 

Most as far as the UK is concerned seems too be from countries the UK has attacked or more radical versions of Islam are common, those being Pakistanis.

 

My god, this type of argument, perpetrated by the progressive left, is so far detached from reality, it's almost unbelievable that people actually believe this crap.

The west is screwed in this coming war with pepper running among us that are simply incapable of, at a minimum, acknowledging reality.

The US, BECAUSE we have boats in international waters, near some allies in the Pacific, are the same as these terrorists?

Just wow. I weep for the west's ability to overcome these challenges and enemies, with people like this running around.

 

It's more complicated than that, and accepting that as a base fact is lazy. Yes, American influence has been important in the Middle East for about 100 years. Yes, Americans have taken actions in the last 70 or so that increase anti-American sentiment.

There's a large difference between "taking actions that increase anti-American sentiment" and being responsible for Jihadism.

History, as always, doesn't surrender to cursory examination.

 

Not considering the content of my post

Now, please stop as you might look like a pathetic moron and that would be very bad.

 

I was talking about general numbers of Jihadists, not the specific numbers of UK terrorist attacks.

Pakistani terrorism might be disproportionate in the UK for a simple reason: Large numbers of Pakistanis.

 

Yes, the US wasn't committing terrorist atrocities in Indonesia at that time.

 

You just said yourself that the US had an absolute disruptive way of messing around in the ME. Maybe if they, together with other western nations, didn't piss them off so much, than they would not drag the war to them for a change.

 

To the point I replied to about the Brexit.
it remains that it would not have mattered since he is a home grown terrorist.


As for connecting the dots. You claim 1.5 billion muslims are just like him?
Sounds like a nazi blaming the Jews in the good ol 1930's.

 

What "pissed them off so much" to cause 9/11 wasn't disruptive action, but anti-disruptive action.

A pretty important distinction, yes?

 

I get that, but to act like hoards of non-assimilating muslims gorge the western liberal countries, is not a MAJOR problem, just because he's a home grown, does not mean that script immigration policy should be dissuaded.

 

No, but it does mean that we need to be clearer about problems and solutions.

Any further immigration control will be nice (and expensive), but will make hardly a dent in the real problem. Continuing to talk about Muslim immigrations is almost (almost) pointless.

 

Given this is a UK issue at the moment it seemed reasonable.
No one can give actual world numbers but I know the Indonesian extremist lot can manage a few thousand big mouths. However, the percentage of those willing to get especially stupid and kill someone is likely to be very limited.

The majority of those from previous terrorist attacks are in graves due to the Indonesian police's general 'shoot the bastards' policy.
It works well so the vast majority of terrorists are dead pretty quickly.
It's sad some manage to kill before they get sent to hell but the police do a pretty good job when you consider how difficult their task is.

 

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