A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.

From the paper:

Models are not fact.

 

The sky has been falling for 30 years now...

Your more likely to die in Nuclear war than "Climate Change"

Earth has been heating and cooling for BILLIONS of years, it's called weather

 

That is probably true.......
but if ocean levels rose by one meter... and if
twenty to eighty million climate change refugees were created in Bangladesh alone....then....

many of them would flee to India......
and a great deal of pressure on many governments would be created that would tend to increase terrorist activity......

which could ultimately be one of the major causes of that possible nuclear war.........

Whereas large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture.......
produces food... boosts the economy...... protects coastal communities.... .and decreases discontent that can cause terrorism.

 

I bet that President Donald Trump would tend to be far, far, far more interested in
a plan to begin stabilization of the climate through large scale desalination of ocean
water than he would be in a carbon tax.

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But ONE nation on earth has experienced COOLING since the 1950's.

That same nation, on a per capita basis, also happened to lead the world in planting trees,
and in large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture, reforestation projects as well as for
towns experiencing drought.

That nation is ISRAEL!

 

And now we approach the "it's too late" portion of the the Denier circular argument which began with the "there is no Global Warming" an will eventually circle back TO that

 

Not me... take a look at post #54....

A carbon tax could well take a century or more to really do anything much to reduce a general global warming trend.....
so it seems that the leadership of the USA and Canada and many other nations have decided to deliberately use
The Global Dimming Effect.......(lots of ash, dust, and soot from industry that has a similar effect to a major volcanic eruption... climate cooling)....
but......
the example in ISRAEL proves that large scale investment in turning deserts green......
can have a cooling effect on the climate in about a decade or even less.

 

I just noticed the NJ in your profile.......
would you not feel better if you heard about a major initiative to
desalinate ocean water on a large scale to turn a huge percentage of the nation of Jordan green?

How about a planned tunnel from the area of Tel Aviv to near the Dead Sea.. taking two hundred million
cubic meters of ocean water annually for a massive hydro-electric generation facility plus large scale
salt water desalination facility?

Shouldn't that make much of New Jersey a little safer in case conditions similar to Hurricane Sandy happen to
be repeated?

 

Graphene screens are good news.

They could soon greatly decrease the cost of desalinating ocean water.

 

You will find the Democrats of America and left wingers globally won't enjoy solutions coming from you, me or anybody not now an alarmist.

The purpose of man blamed global climate is not scientific. This is why no matter the solution I have offered, thus far if I got fortunate, one or two of them liked the solution. But 99.99 percent of them see the politics of this issue. To them it is the path to running your life and my life.

The fact the earth is 75 percent apx water does not faze them. To control climate as they desire, one must control clouds. Carbon Dioxide has little if anything to do with clouds.

I wonder why they don't see the link of plants to oxygen? Plants must have carbon dioxide. As more humans and all animals grow over time, they all need oxygen. We need more plants. I agree with them that cutting vast forests down is counterproductive. I suggest to them to plant more trees, more of any type plant. They act offended.

 

I want to ask a real question I take mass transit, don't own or ever owned a car and live rather modestly being poor my carbon footprint is then low. Now how many of you will give up driving and say take a public bus or other mass transit option to start?

 

I keep reading articles of gloom and doom and all of them say the same thing.

IF SEA LEVEL RISES

They never include numbers of how much it rose. They talk of the future.

No wonder most of we non alarmists find problems with their articles.

 

I had to drive to my doctors office Tuesday. It is 4.5 miles from me. 9 miles round trip along with the problem that on my way back, I stopped two times. First to buy food at the local discount super market with excellent food and deals. Next to my eye doctor where my glasses were repaired at no cost to me. Going and coming took roughly 20 minutes plus the stops. A bus runs outside when it gets around to it. I don't use it to know it's schedule. Said bus does not follow the route I need. I once tried to carry groceries on the local bus and that sucks big time. For me the only practical device is the automobile.

So the transit is very very slow moving. And it is no way cheaper.

 

The best plan is to wait a few years. That way you'll be able to blame the coming ice age and starvation that will come with it on man and bovine flatulence:

A GLOBAL cooldown will usher in a 100-year mini-ice age, UK Experts
Posted on May 8, 2017 by Russ Steele
Details in the UK Daily Star:

Experts told Daily Star Online planet Earth is on course for a “Little Age Ice” within the next three years thanks to a cocktail of climate change and low solar activity.

Research shows a natural cooling cycle that occurs every 230 years began in 2014 and will send temperatures plummeting even further by 2019.

Scientists are also expecting a “huge reduction” in solar activity for 33 years between 2020 and 2053 that will cause thermometers to crash.

Both cycles suggest Earth is entering a global cooling cycle that could have devastating consequences for global economy, human life and society as we know it.

https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/

 

They wonder why people refuse to come to the table to discuss things with them

They already have their conclusions made up and anything you say that disagrees with that conclusion makes you an Idiot/Crazy/Stupid/Naitve/ignorat/fillintheblank

I just end the conversation when it gets to the point of the guy you are responding to, nothing to talk about

 

Well if people want off carbon fuels that will have to change to electric cars which are not really developed well enough, some kind of rail or other system of mass transit or you could ride bicycles maybe I'm just saying to get off gasoline our way of life needs to be utterly remodeled and around mass transportation or short local travel to business you can walk to in the main. But a bus can be cheaper with no drivers insurance, maintenance and fuel costs and auto repairs and maintenance its usually in cities a better deal but its not as convenient. I use a power wheelchair so the bus for me and always was the best option or similar mass transportation.

But to make pollution and global warming go would you give up the car for mass transit or move to another area or pay taxes for infrastructure redesign to not need a car, that is the question environmentalists need to answer how do we switch over with gasoline cheap and coal cheap. I always argue since its not going to change anytime soon its a better value in the long run to adapt and just move displaced people to safer areas and use technology to counter threats as best we can. While working on alternatives until they are ready for everyday use.

 

Then investment in turning deserts green might just be the answer
because North Africa may soon become a good place to produce food if
the best farming areas in North America are hit with colder weather?


The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

Graphene screens make it much less expensive to desalinate ocean water
than it has been.



Graphene sieves and low cost desalination of ocean water.

 

Carbon taxes are an insanely dumb idea.

They are far too easily corruptible and will not help the problem world wide in the long run, not even close

 

Here is a political leader who should be motivated to
look at this question with a different viewpoint than usual
because he represents a riding that has the world's highest
tides.


Jamie Baillie, Nova Scotia, Israel and Jordan.

 

I totally agree!

That hockey stick shaped image that Mr. Al Gore had in his film
An Inconvenient Truth.......
it is obvious that a twenty percent improvement in
the reduction of atmospheric carbon in the USA and Canada....
and a fifteen percent improvement in India....
and a 67 percent reduction in China..... really does little.......
to get the world back to where we were two centuries ago.

(China can rapidly improve because some awfully smart people feel they were
deliberately putting more pollution into the atmosphere in order to benefit most......
when they would finally sign a deal with President Hillary.....
that would have given them billions and billions of dollars worth of carbon credits.......)


"Bjorn Lomborg argues that many of the elaborate and expensive actions now being considered to stop global warming will cost hundreds of billions of dollars, are often based on emotional rather than strictly scientific assumptions, and may very well have little impact on the world's temperature for hundreds of years." (lomborg
.com/coolit/)

 

Exactly what I am against Carbon Credits and The Paris Accords. I truly believe we can do a better job for ourselves simply continuing to change our culture as well as remianing powerful enough to maintgin the world status quo. I don't trust China with climate issues AT ALL. I go there twice a year for work, it is absolutely horrible how bad the smog is.

I mean it is isn't even close to even our worst cities, which I happen to live in (Cen Cal/So Cal is the worst in the US) and again, China is disgusting compared to it.

 

I would also to see large scale desalination of ocean water for
agriculture in California because graphene screens should make
desalination quite low cost soon.

Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and put into the
water table of California is great news for residents of Pugwash, Nova Scotia,
Canada which has the world's highest tides.


http://discovermagazine.com/2017/june/rising-tide

If the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Collapsed...
Antarctica is a desolate, far-away place, but what happens there could reshape life along the coasts.
By Eric Betz|Tuesday, May 09, 2017


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Here is the question that I posed to Nova Scotia's Progressive Conservative
Leader Mr. Jaimie Baillie:


Jamie Baillie, Nova Scotia, Israel and Jordan.

 

Nano-particles are called molecules. What needs to change isn't policy or science, it is the expectations, attitudes and knowledge of people. Life won't get better by adding a side order of Lipitor to our second cheeseburger or hoping for a new a magic molecule we can add to our next gallon of gasoline.

How can we have less crap clogging our veins and air? The answer is to shove less cheeseburgers in our gullet and burn less hydrocarbons in our cars and trucks. The answer is moderation. It always has been.

Excess and abuse comes at a price. Science doesn't let us cheat natural laws, it does let us understand and predict the natural consequences of our actions. Science cannot make that bill go away, but it can help us understand how we are running up the tab and it may suggest how we can change the attitudes and actions producing so much crap.
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We certainly do not need another BS carbon tax. Why is it that all democrats can think about is laying another tax on people..

 

A lot of people are worried that it is a gambit to control people's lives.........
their fears seem to be justified.

 

The Global Warming/Climate Change political movement is a classic example of carefully orchestrated science fraud from the start.

"To do that (reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climactic change) we have to get some broad-based support, to capture the publics imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This "double ethical bind" that we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." atmospheric scientist Stephen Schneider, of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "Discover" magazine, Oct. 1989.

In 1991 Schneider won the AAAS(American Association for the Advancement of Science) "Award for the Public Understanding of Science." Paul R. Gross, and Norman Levitt, "Higher Superstition," Johns Hopkins University Press, 1994, pp 167,168.

Schneider should have known that the truth would eventually garner enough broad based support to expose this obvious scam. Schneider et al have demolished the credibility of the scientific establishment.

And he won a AAAS award for that! Scientists can be very foolish.