NSA Wiretapping Donald Trump and White House - Thanks Obama!

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  1. PinkFloyd

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    Oh, they realize it. They are scared to death and that is why they are spending so much effort trying to misdirect and misinform the public. They need to redirect his efforts away from serving the people. The democrats, like ACA, are in a tail spin and after 2018, they will have even less support in the House and Congress. Instead of rallying around the new President and trying to rebuild and serve the people and get real reform introduced, they choose to tear America down at every chance. It's not good. It's incredibly narcissistic. It's also a threat to national security. I hope it's dealt with accordingly.
     
  2. shades

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    AND
    The left doesn't realize how many of us there are out here.
    We have remained relatively silent, as we did leading up to the election.
    And we will speak again in 2018, just as loudly, louder if need be.

    And this street protest anti American crap going on in our cities will grow tiring in short order also.
    they won't like us mad, they have no idea.
     
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    Well, I suppose that the good news is that even telling them this still won't be enough to change their course. So, let them. Let them be proof of Darwinian social orders. When they are no more, they will leave behind fragments of social popularism that likely will be unable to rejoin. Seems fitting.
     
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    But... but... haven't you heard? Trump is causing Barbra Streisand to gain weight. The horror......
     
  5. sammy

    sammy Well-Known Member

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    But... but... haven't you heard? Trump is causing Barbra Streisand to gain weight. The horror......


    Trump is blamed for everything but the fat lady was growing fat while Obama was president.
     
  6. Zorro

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    Yeah? Then what the hell is this?

    Harry Reid wrote:

    “In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisers, and the Russian Government… I wrote to you months ago calling for this information to be released to the public.”

    This statement makes it clear that Senator Reid, a high-ranking member of the Senate, was told of information gleaned from communications intercepted by the intelligence community, even when members of the intelligence community now categorically deny that the Obama administration ordered any form of wiretap operation.

    The Washington Post wrote in October:

    “Reid is saying that he has been told the FBI has evidence of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. And he’s not just saying this information came from mysterious and unnamed national security officials; he’s saying Comey himself has left him with this impression.

    Reid cautioned members of the Electoral College against voting for Trump based on “intelligence briefings he’s seen.”

    http://thirdestatenewsgroup.com/in-october-harry-reid-admitted-that-obama-wiretapped-trump-campaign/
     
  7. Zorro

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    House memo states disputed dossier was key to FBI’s FISA warrant to surveil members of Team Trump.

    Memo: Dossier was driving force behind surveillance warrant
    Material and relevant information was omitted in request for surveillance of Carter Page.

    A memo that shows government surveillance abuse has been released and includes testimony from a high-ranking government official who says without the infamous Trump dossier, the FBI and DOJ would not have secured surveillance warrants to spy on the Trump team.

    The House Intelligence Committee released the memo on Friday afternoon. It includes alleged abuses involving FISA, or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    It specifically cites the DOJ and FBI’s surveillance of onetime Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, saying the dossier "formed an essential part" of the application to spy on him.

    The FBI and DOJ used media reporting to lend credibility to the dossier, while the firm behind the dossier, Fusion GPS, briefed major American news outlets to include New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, New Yorker, Yahoo and Mother Jones.

    The memo shows that after former British spy Christopher Steele was cut off from the FBI, he continued to pass information, as did Fusion GPS, through Justice Department Official Bruce Ohr. Ohr’s wife Nellie began working for Fusion GPS as early as May 2016.

    It also describes evidence that Steele has a personal animus for the President Trump.

    "Steele 'was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president'"

    - FISA memo

    "Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then Candidate Trump, in September of 2016, when Steele told Ohr, that he Steele 'was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president," the memo reads, according to an excerpt obtained by Fox News.

    Speaking to reporters on Friday, Trump, who has read the memo, called the contents “a disgrace.”

    “A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves,” he said.

    The memo says the committee’s findings “raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions” with the FISA court and “represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process.”

    Page said the memo reveals an "unprecedented abuse of process.”

    “The brave and assiduous oversight by Congressional leaders in discovering this unprecedented abuse of process represents a giant, historic leap in the repair of America’s democracy,” Page said. “Now that a few of the misdeeds against the Trump Movement have been partially revealed, I look forward to updating my pending legal action in opposition to DOJ this weekend in preparation for Monday’s next small step on the long, potholed road toward helping to restore law and order in our great country.”

    I'm proud of the GOP for properly disclosing this, using lawful practices rather than illegally leaking it. There has been far too much illegal leaking and mishandling of classified information in the Clinton/Obama era, continued by the felonious Obama hold overs.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...sa-warrant-to-surveil-members-team-trump.html
     
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    A puff piece written by a major Trump lacky. Four pages of GOP BS that had no business being classified in the first place. There is nothing in it except pointing out that "The Dreaded Dossier" was used as a part of a FISA request.

    Why did Nunes omit the fact Page was under investigation by the Feds for three years before the FISA request was made?
    Why did Nunes omit the fact the FISA request was renewed three times with no reference to "The Dreaded Dossier"?

    Why did Nunes lie by omission?
    Why do you buy in to the lies?
    Do you still believe Mexico will pay for the wall?
    Do you believe the recent tax cut was the biggest in history?
    Do you believe Trump's inauguration crowds were the biggest in history?
    Sure you do.
     
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    "Veteran FBI agents say FBI Director James Comey has permanently damaged the bureau’s reputation for uncompromising investigations with his cowardly whitewash of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information using an unauthorized private email server," Sperry wrote.

    "Feeling the heat from congressional critics, Comey last week argued that the case was investigated by career FBI agents, 'So if I blew it, they blew it, too.'

    "But agents say Comey tied investigators’ hands by agreeing to unheard-of ground rules and other demands by the lawyers for Clinton and her aides that limited their investigation."

    The rebellion was real and by October 28, Comey felt the only way to quell the rebellion was to re-open the case. That lasted a few days.

    And it may have cost Clinton the election.

    Comey thought re-opening the case and clearing her again would help her, while appeasing the rebels. After all, her lead was Too Big to Fail. She even said that if the election were held on October 27, she would be queen, er, president.

    However, the re-opened investigation lasted just long enough to give enough people pause to either stay home on Election Day or by golly, to vote for Trump.

    After Trump's election, Obama and company foolishly tried to use the deep state to bring Trump down. Instead, they should be sweating things out. You see, the good guys in the FBI (and elsewhere) are not letting this die.

    Comey scorched the bureau's reputation. Some good people in the bureau are fighting back.

    Democrats both in and out of the media want the public to ignore the politicization of the bureau. There is no conspiracy here. Just a little office romance.

    But all those texts between agents Lisa Page and Peter Strzok -- the alleged lovebirds -- seemed to be about politics, and not about hanky-panky. Maybe the steamy texts are someplace else. Maybe they are among the 50,000 missing texts. Maybe "God Trump is loathsome human" is FBI code for:
    How do I love thee? Let me count the ways...

    Meanwhile, Inspector General Michael Horowitz has gone about his business for the past year. He seems like a stand-up guy. He led the team that busted bad cops in New York City in the 1990s.

    Twenty years later, he is doing the same thing at the FBI.

    "Failing to get traction on their Russia 'collusion' front, Sen. Mark Warner and other top Democratic inquisitors now suggest President Trump is obstructing justice by forcing a shake-up at FBI headquarters. But FBI sources tell me the pressure to clean house is also coming from inside the bureau, and it’s based on real concerns over malfeasance by top brass there," Sperry wrote on Thursday.

    FBI Director Christopher Wray is the reason for the cleanup on Aisle Comey.

    Sperry quoted former assistant FBI Director Ron Hosko as saying, "Wray is a smart, experienced attorney. He’s not gonna fold to BS pressure with no facts, so he saw something solid, something from the agency’s inspector general, who has been investigating political conflicts and irregularities involving McCabe for more than a year."

    And Wray fired his deputy, Andrew McCabe, because of that evidence.

    Perry quoted Michael Biasello, a 25-year veteran of the FBI who spent 10 years in counter-intelligence, as saying, "The FBI hierarchy, the management, has been poisoned by politics. This is Comey’s legacy."

    The media (Democratic Party) spin is the Nunes Memo is an attempt to discredit the Mueller investigation. That is nonsense. The memo may discredit the investigation, but the purpose is to cleanse the FBI.

    Comey has shown that the FBI is too big and too powerful. It needs to be reined in, not because the agents are running roughshod over the Constitution but because Comey and his cronies did.

    The best way to fight corruption is to reduce the power that invites it.

    Horowitz and the others are the good guys. But there are some bad agents like Page and Strzok.

    President Trump in one tweet told the public that he has the backs of the good guy (and gal) agents.

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/02/i-am-proud-of-fbi.html#more
     
  10. sammy

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    Obama art the very leats knew Trump was being investigated under false pretenses.
    But it appears he was more involved than that.

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    Trump's people in bed with Russia, why wouldn't they be wiretapped?
    He's been laundering their money forever. Obama would have been remiss,
    not watching these people. Bush Jr. was asleep at the wheel, letting 9-11 happen. While
     
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    this is a old long debunked thread, not sure why someone dug it out of the trash heap
     
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    The memo just released proved NSA illegally wiretapped the Trump administration and
    any investigation into Trump violates his civil rights. It's the greatest civil rights abuse in presidential history, Thanks Obama.
     
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    The NSA isn't even a topic of discussion with this conspiracy theory memo.

    And the current discussion isn't even about tWump. But Page.
     
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    not hardly, a person the set off the alarm bells from his contacts with Russia was monitored, exactly what is supposed to happen
    what do you think they discovered that Trump did via this monitoring.... if he did nothing, then this has nothing to do with Trump, now if Trump is obstructing justice cause of somethig carter page did, or even out of fear that money laundering or something will be discovered, that will be the end of trump political future
     
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    You should put than on your roses, it will make them grow better.

    The Democrats have launched an all-out assault on the House Intelligence Committee’s memo and some of their attacks quickly proved groundless, like the suggestion that releasing the memo would somehow imperil national security. Anyone who has read the memo knows that is silly. Roger Simon takes up this issue and asks, “Why Did the Democrats Lie So Baldly about the Memo?”

    Byron York addresses the more plausible claims the Democrats have made about the memo, and finds them essentially without merit:

    1) What did Andrew McCabe say?

    The issue here is whether McCabe testified, as the memo says, that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court without the Steele dossier information.” The Democrats say that characterization overstates the case, but they won’t say what McCabe actually testified to, which makes their objection suspect.

    My answer is simple: release the transcript, and let us see for ourselves.

    2) Did the FBI tell the court about the Hillary Clinton campaign’s involvement in the Steele dossier?

    The issue here is whether the FBI disclosed to the FISA court that its application was based mostly on opposition research financed by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign. The Democrats say that while the application didn’t disclose that, it–as Byron puts it–“kinda, sorta gave the court the idea that a source was politically motivated.” But why didn’t the FBI level with the court about the dossier’s origins? Presumably because it knew the court would view with skepticism a warrant application based on unverified allegations paid for by an opposing political campaign.

    Once again, the solution is simple: release the FISA application, and let us see exactly what the FBI told the court.


    3) Why didn’t the memo mention Carter Page’s history?

    The FBI wiretapped Page in 2013, but so what? The FBI wouldn’t have gotten far with a FISA application that said, “We spied on this guy a few years ago, let’s do it again.” Obviously the new “facts” about Page taken from the Steele dossier were the basis for the new warrant application.

    The sources that the FBI relied on in the application:

    After conversations with multiple sources, it appears the FISA surveillance application relied on five categories of information: 1) the dossier;
    2) a Yahoo News article based mostly on the dossier;
    3) the George Papadopoulos case;
    4) Page’s history; and
    5) a general survey of Russian bad deeds.

    The dossier made up by far the largest part of the case for wiretapping Page. The Yahoo story was “cited extensively,” as well.

    Is it not bizarre that the FBI relied on a Yahoo News story as the basis for a supposedly secret intelligence investigation? I always thought the FBI and CIA had better sources of information than Yahoo News. Apparently not.

    The House memo raises several questions, the answers to which could be highly uncomfortable for the Democrats. Hence their hysteria.

    First, the memo says that the FISA order was renewed three times, each apparently for 90 days. This means that the FBI continued to spy on Carter Page well after President Trump was inaugurated, until the fall of 2017. Why? Was there legitimate suspicion of something Page was doing, or was it part of the Democrats’ effort to bring down the president?

    Second, we don’t know what was done with the information the FBI collected on Page and anyone he communicated with. We do know that Obama administration hacks like Susan Rice made an extraordinary number of “unmasking” requests during the relevant time period, which allowed them to access the communications of American citizens, including Page and anyone with whom he was in contact. Were these officials colluding with the FBI to try to obtain “dirt” on, first, the Trump campaign and, later, the president-elect? If not, what was the purpose of their hundreds of unmasking requests? Did some of the information obtained through the FBI’s ill-gotten FISA warrant find its way into the press during or after the presidential campaign, via the Obama administration? Or was the entire operation unsuccessful, i.e., the surveillance never turned up anything good enough to use?

    This is, I think, the major shoe that has yet to drop.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/the-house-memo-questions-and-answers.php
     
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