Sheriff: Armed officer at school never entered building during shooting

If the teacher freezes up to you have lost nothing that you would not have if he were disarmed

But if the teacher does his job the snowflake dies before killing more innocent kids

 

If you have walked the walk you can talk the talk. I am not saying the guy didn't fail on his duty, not sure if I will just label him a coward. It's easy to play Monday morning QB and talk about what you would do. I have some so called gung ho guys nut up at the moment of truth.

 

I don't understand your logic. In one of these situations people and guns are already in the mix and kids and faculty are being shot and killed. There are people involved that behave heroically trying to save kids lives. Are you saying that if those people were armed they would abandon the kids and run and hide?

I don't agree with those who suggest something like a school armory where people would have to run to and arm themselves and then go on the attack. My vision would be more on the order of concealed carry allowed by those who have permits. Their first job remains herding kids to safe places but if confronted by the shooter they might be able to respond and change the inevitability of the outcome.

 

The NRA works hard to maintain the conditions that make it easy for people like this killer to obtain weapons that can kill large numbers of people quickly.

They have worked hard to thwart ANY attempt to change that.

 

Counting on teachers to magically turn into heroes is just ridiculous. Some of those teachers would indeed run and hide, that's human nature. Make no mistake, if we arm teachers in schools, kids will die in accidents. We should be doing things to prevent future deaths, not causing more. You simply cannot rely on a teacher to turn into rambo. People who know firearms know how much goes into the safe and accurate operation of something as simple as a handgun. Are we really going to require teachers go through police level training? A certification? Because that would be the baseline for getting the best odds. We can see by this cop who hid outside, that even that may not be enough. This post proves the arming teachers nonsense to be a fallacy promoted by the NRA who's motivation is profits and power, not safety.

 

So the "good guy with a gun" was actually a coward with a gun, eh.

So much for the nra's soldier of fortune fantasy

Most of the internet Rambo's on here would likely do the exact same thing as that coward did when confronted by some teenage maniac armed with a military-style assault rifle...

 

Exactly

The nra "IS THE PROBLEM"...

 

I don't think you understand what level of training would be needed to make sure teachers could respond in the fashion you think they could. Do we require educators to acquire and maintain the same skill set a police officer does? Ridiculous. You mix people and guns and accidents happen. People die, that's a fact. Toddlers are still shooting people every week in accidents. This isn't a batch of red hat wearing morons at the shooting range, this is a school where we cannot think teachers will magically turn into rambo. The better solution is to keep nutjobs and guns separate.

This post proves that even with training, your rambo scenario fails. That was a fully trained cop who couldn't perform. Asking teachers who will have less training to perform this job is just stupid and reckless.

 

It also increases the possibility that someone's kid dies in an accident because everyone is armed. What if the shooter couldn't get his hands on a gun in the first place?

This post proves that even with training, your rambo scenario fails. That was a fully trained cop who couldn't perform. Asking teachers who will have less training to perform this job is just stupid and reckless.

 

Yep. Let's allow students to carry guns to class. Why not.

 

Some fat school cop. Why does a man get a job hanging around a school all day ? Some burning desire to make sure kids are safe ? Or is it a nice cushy job with health care and a pension ?

This person will save his own arse before any kids.

 

My wife is a teacher. She never signed up to "die for anyone's children." The point has to be made that educators are not soldiers, nor are they cops, and they should not be expected to be. Nor should they be expected to die for the children they educate.

Do I want my wife armed in her school? No. Absolutely not. My wife has -chosen- to educate students who come from harsh backgrounds, and those kids have some serious issues. Her being armed would require a level of assertiveness, as well as alertness, that is impossible when there are 24+ students in her classroom, thanks to budget cuts and sordid other ventures from our previous republican administration, and greedy admins at the school board.

Someone on this board insisted these shootigs are "rare" and that "cars kill more kids en route to schools then shootings do."

Those miss the point. Our schools -are not warzones.- That's the point. Our schools are centers of education. My wife is a teacher. She is not a guard.

She is already underpaid and overworked. Almost all of our teachers are. And they are usually the first line of defense against these shooters. They are only portrayed as heroes when they give their lives defending children, but are demonized by the same lot of mouth breathing, infested hordes that call them greedy teachers with too many benefits.

You seriously could not pay a teacher enough to educate kids, in current classroom settings, with this many students per room, pay to train them and equip them, when I have to pay out of pocket to get kids **** the school should already be providing for them.

How does this problem get solved?

Making We The People live up to the responsibilities we have to the right to own firearms. We need to recognize that rights come with responsibilities. That's it.

 

Nobody has tried to make the case that every teacher should be armed. However, there are people on each faculty that probably would qualify to carry concealed, many already have permits and do carry when not at work. There are already schools that allow this and your predicted bloodbath simply hasn't taken place.

We have the history of these horrible events to judge the character of the teachers as well as their devotion to the kids involved. They all seem to take whatever action they can to protect the young people in their care, some of them give their lives doing it. To me, this record renders your argument as to their courage or commitment completely invalid.

Seems to me that having a few good guys with guns offers at least a fighting chance when a bad guy with a gun shows up. You are free to choose to duck and cover.

 

If the school your wife works at is as rough as all that then it may be that the students will use their own guns and shoot an intruder before things get out of hand.

 

I think the real question is why more conservative dominated legislatures have not adapted this idea.

 

You don't understand the mentality of these kids. They would shoot each other over sneakers. Haircuts. Jackets. Jeans. -THINGS.-

Every argument would -immediately- be dangerous.

 

I don't need to 'walk the walk' to acknowledge that a guy took a job, and then let his fear cause him to fail in a very basic aspect of that job, resulting in people dying. That is a cowardly act. And I don't know how I would react in that situation. But I know this: if I accepted the job, and then cowered outside while kids got killed, I would be a coward.

 

Option two, in this case. I believe the guy was a 30-year L.E.. Meaning, he was retired, and looking to supplement his pension.

 

How does my stance that 'if a teacher is armed, but is too scared to come out of their classroom, it is not any worse than him/her being not armed and staying in the classroom' equate to my 'Rambo stance'?

 

You cannot trust the government to keep you, or your family safe.

 

Of course he failed, who is saying that he didn't.

Ok, still easy to say when you have never been in that situation.

There are cops who work a beat for over 20yrs and have never pulled their gun let alone fired it. Maybe he is a coward, but it's easy to say what you will do and what you actually will do.

 

I hope that all of those imaginary teachers like you have better grammar.

 

Then, I suggest that you show up at your local government's next budget hearing and demand that they disband the sherrif's office or the police department, since, according to you, they're a waste of your money.

 

Not only is armed security needed but they need to be properly qualified and trained. This guy is a major failure, there needs to be a full overhaul of whoever hired and trained and screened this guard.

 

Not sure why you continue to make the keyboard warrior claim against me. I have said I have no idea how I would react. I have said myself, and any rational person, would be scared sh1tless. Apparently you take umbrage with stating that one shouldn't take a job and then refuse to perform an essential duty of it.