Can an automatic handgun do the same damage as an AR-15?

True, I just enjoy pointing out their hypocrisy.

 

I wonder if these little shills on here are aware of it

 

As demonstrated above, you and self-proclaimed "experts on guns" on this forum are a fraud. This has nothing to do with automatic vs semi-automatic. It has to do with the power to kill

Fortunately, my ignorance and your ignorance doesn't matter much because Dr. Sher's observations leave no doubt as to why Assault Rifles should be banned: One deranged shooter using a handgun, everybody who received a direct hit survived. Same circumstances with an AR-15, they all died...

"Speed"... "barrel"... "bullet"... yeah... You tell the parents of these kids that it would not have been different.

 

Here's a novel idea for you: why not read the post before you "delight" us with this nonsense.

If you shoot somebody with an AR-15 hitting the liver, you're dead. If you shoot them with a hand gun, they are likely to survive

 

The worst school shooting in the history of the country (VT) was carried out with semi-auto handguns. The AR, or any long gun really, is a poor choice for close quarters.

 

I know nothing, and I admit it. As a matter of fact, I'm proud of not knowing (please don't spoil my bliss)

You and everybody who has stated that the same damage could be done with a handgun don't know much either. You want to act as if you did.

 

Oh gosh! Another self-proclaimed "expert" who won't read the post they are responding to.

 

I did and debunked your diarrhea of the mouth in one sentence.

False.

 

Clearly.

And You think you can comment coherently on the subject?

False

 

A: I did not respond to any post.
B: I'm not an expert, nor have I proclaimed to be one.
C: The question I answered was posed in the thread topic, and the answer I gave was factually correct.

 

Either does your star witness either

Well that would be "SHOCK" the higher the "VELOCITY" the greater the shock wave created from the bullet traveling thru hydrated tissue and literally causing organs to rupture.

Handguns are generally around 1300 fps and the shock is minimal.
A long gun like a 223cal can reach upwards of 3600+ fps creating a shockwave of maximum force!

 

Everyone that was hit with a bullet in the school died? The football coach took 7 bullets before he died. The kids at sandy hook took 1 shot from the hand guns used there. Anecdotal evidence is all you posted.

 

Is that why swat teams and our military operating in MOUT are always using handguns when they clear houses? If you want to cause the most carnage in the shortest amount of time, nothing beats a magazine fed rifle. Try again.

 

Don't worry about them. There are plenty of people who are versed in firearms who aren't mindless shills for the NRA. They attempt to obfuscate the discussion by turning to the technical aspects of firearms. In their delusional minds, you must be an expert in firearms to want to discuss regulation for them. You don't and all you need to be is someone who doesn't like seeing children murdered. Clearly, they'd rather kids be slaughtered than be mildly inconvenienced when buying a firearm.

 

Teachers having a "working familiarity with guns" like the NRA's teacher brigade, going against a nut with a semi-auto combat weapon would be cut down like wheat at harvest time. Going against those odds with a hand gun would require advanced combat training (cover, concealment, etc.) to stand any chance. If the shooter was experienced, bye-bye.

Trump and his cabinet know a lot more about fornicating than about guns. The one or two "ballistic experts" on this post are fighting WAY out of their weight class. Putting it nicely, they don't know crap. Getting hit with a full metal jacket might be more fun than with a hollow point, or other expanding nicety, but your dead if either his anything important, like your core.

Arming the teachers is so asinine, on so many levels, it doesn't deserve further debate. It is an idea with great appeal to the NRA (thousands of gun sales) or to an administration with the mentality of a third grader watching too many 007 movies. Where do we dig up these nuts?

 

In a school, it is understandable. Though you make a good point or two. How would those folks be dying, if guns are banned in those places already? There should be none. They should all be dying of stab wounds or blunt force trauma.

#doesn'twork

 

Well I have a bolt action 204, caliber that I reload to 4200 fps and equipped with a BDC scope and easily ranges out to 400 yards 600+ if you have young eyes! So in a target rich environment what would be more lethal, the gun and gunman you can see or the gun and gunman you can't even HEAR!

 

Now, you are arguing not about the AR15 in particular, but about projectile characteristics and ballistics. The AR15 round is high speed, but many long guns are. The speed of the projectile changes it's effect, as well as the configuration and weight of it. A slower moving bullet such as the typical handgun round does not have the same effect- however it is much heavier; and if one chooses the round for the purpose of doing tissue damage, things change. Handgun rounds can be designed punch holes- or to fracture, tear and penetrate. They can be teflon coated which allows penetration of most body armor. A shooter could also fire pistols with both hands, two guns at once- and could easily carry four or even more, not needing to reload. Some handguns fire high-speed hollow-point projectiles and carry 30 rounds. A shooter could have four of them under a light coat and look normal walking in; much easier to hide than an AR.

The real point is that people with the intent to kill people can kill people. In the same setting as some of the school shootings, a person skilled with a Katana (Japanese samuri sword) could kill just as fast, and would not stop to reload. Regardless of the weapon- it is the person that kills. That means that the only real control is controlling the person who has the mental state to kill. These shootings are a form of retaliation- the shooter is rejecting any sense of personal responsibility, and blames society or parts of it for the frustration they feel. They are punishing society for those frustrations, getting even with others for failing them. They don't have to be textbook insane, just lacking in common sense to the point they see only their anger- and act crazy.

Even though these people usually have long trails of warning signs, we have never been able to figure out how to keep such crazy people from getting guns, or for that matter any kind of weapon. However, we have resisted the idea that we should address control of the potential shooters. All we can figure out to do is keep good people from getting guns with more and more legislation. If the AR15 didn't exist, the only thing that would change is the choice of weapons.

We now know there was an armed sheriff's deputy at the Florida school- who stood outside, taking cover behind a column, and chose not to engage the shooter.
Just as the shooter failed to keep his head straight- the deputy failed to do his sworn duty to protect. The police and various agencies that had so many occasions (police were called to the home on 39 occasions) to know of the violent potential of this kid failed to act. Even the FBI, notified that they kid had posted the intent on facebook to become "A professional school shooter" failed to pay attention. Seems we have great hindsight, but grope blindly into the future.

How many chances to prevent that disaster did we have? How many do we need before we act logically?

 

The bottom line is that the GOVERNMENT FAILED in at least 11 different ways to keep these students safe.

 

I have no experience outside of my time in Vietnam.

Here's what I know from an M-16:

Neat hole where the bullet enters - big hole and hamburg where the bullet exits.
When the bullet exits, there is a massive atomizing of the blood as it exits the body.
The body hits the ground and the blood settles on the body and everything around the body. It looks like the body has freckles.
In a warm jungle environment, the blood quickly starts to stink of putrefaction and insects are crawling in and out of the moth, nostrils and ears.

I saw a gut shot - the guy lived for a few hours. I can't begin to describe the things that an M-16 does with a hit to the gut and the stink is something you'll never forget - and all of the bugs.

 

The other option is same basic gun but not classified as a so called "assault rifle"
https://ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/specSheets/5816.html

 

based on what? It has already been explained to you the physics behind the ballistics of certain rounds. a .223 is an extremely small diameter, compared to a slug from a 40 S&W or even a 9mm. The hand gun rounds cause much more damage to vital organs than the .223 does from an AR.

 

How so, and how the F would someone like you even pretend to know?

 

You should have stopped with the only truthful statement of “I know nothing about guns”.

The doctor in the article should stick to being a doctor too.

Do you think a shot from a .38 FMJ is the same as a .40 hollow point?

How about a .357 vs. a .45? All of the above are pistol calibers (since you have no clue).

How about it?