"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson

We have a militia to defend the country, the US military, including the National Guard. What the RW wants is several million trigger happy vigilantes running around the country. That is not what the 2nd Amendment is about.

 

You know so much about so little. Ever hear of John Adams?

 

I do find it humorous the propaganda about the civilian version (the AR-15) of the M16 which troops originally called a mouse gun and in some States are banned for use in deer hunting not because they are so effective but because they are not are called a "powerful military weapon". The military does not use the AR-15.

Some forget this is a country of the people and the people retain all the power. Some are willing to surrender that power to faceless bureaucrats in trade for illusory safety. It is a sad commentary that this is no longer part of our education.

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

 

"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

 

How about a compromise? Many countries have rather low crime rates in spite of having lots of firearms among their civilian populations - I usually bring up the slightly outdated exemples of Finland and Switzerland. Statistics also tend to show that aggression crimes are lower where the population is armed. An over-abundence of guns sure doesn't help the case in the US, but there are other, cultural factors that makes it that the US is, inherently, a violent society.

The key word that could be used to settle on a solution should be "responsability"; Classify guns, gun accessories and ammo according to their lethality, a bit like vehicles are for their weight, and deliver permits accordingly once the applicants have proven themselves able and responsible enough to use them, by the way of background checks and courses if necessary. Gun safety rules should be taught at a young age at school, maybe as soon as out of the primary circuit.

I am sure that even in the event of such laws, most posters here will get to keep their guns, being the responsible individuals they are. Slave-owning Jefferson would be happy, everybody will be happy. And, of course, criminals will continue to ignore the laws - it's what they do.

Do we have a deal?

 

That's not a compromise because you're giving up nothing.

 

Ban stop signs and traffic lights then, as they also infringe on your Liberty.

You know what too much liberty is called? Anarchy.

 

Anti-gun people (of which I certainly am not) compromise by accepting that their gun-owning neighbours is entitled to his. Acceptation and tolerence.

They have no guns - What would you want them to give up? Their lives?

 

Let me go to the store and buy an AR-15 with no FBI checks. Just cash money down, and blam! I'm heading home to do a bit of target practice in my backyard.

My compromise is that you get to know that I am now the proud owner of an AR-15. You'll know where it is (the cops will, but not you).

 

Yeah - some practice would be good before paying a visit to the local school because voices in your head.

The 2nd amendement doesn't guarantee you a 1-hour delivery service.

 

So no deal? Okay, then we stay where we are until we can wrestle the second amendment back to where it should be, which is machine guns at walmart for everybody.

See, there's no compromise any more because all of the gun laws we already have are concessions to get lefties to shut the hell up. Now, well... I think nobody cares how noisy they get.

 

So does this mean we should legalize the private ownership of nuclear weapons, or are there limits to freedom?

It isn't an all or nothing question. The first step in gaining sophistication is to realize that nothing is this simple. Your post is nothing but a strawman.

 

That's called a firearms registery. It costs a lot and it's useless, as criminals ignore the laws anyway. I'm Canada here - we tried it, didn't work. You see - I am a better defender of firearms than you are.

 

LOL! Your biggest problem at the moment is trump! And I'm laughing my freaking head off.

He wants to take your guns without due process.

Trump is comin fer yer guns!

 

Well, I'm trying to find some way that I can compromise on the deal. The problem I have is that lefties talk about compromise, but they only talk about concessions.

"Why don't we compromise by giving us your guns and the we'll shut the hell up about you having guns?"

 

What compromise? You want machines guns sold at Walmart.

Well guess what. It's NEVER going to happen.

Trump is comin fer yer guns!

 

Like I've wrote, the 2nd amendement doesn't guarantee you a one-hour firearm delivery service. Prove that you are no nut and are a responsible person and you'll have no problem having that AR-15 in due time.

Yea. See you next high school massacre.

 

Then the conversation is over, and we can move back to the DNC colluding with the Russians to influence the election.

 

Are you worried you wouldn't be able to pass tests regarding the firearms that you own?

Why the resistance? Wouldn't you be more comfortable knowing that your deranged neighbour can't have access to an arsenal?

 

There will always be another one because we'll always have guns. You'd be amazed at how good CNC machines are these days.

 

The logic applies because it means freedom in a dangerous world is more important than peace via limited rights.

 

I've said many times, we take the good from the past, and leave the bad.

 

....like all great men, past or present.

 

A country where government representatives own guns IS a peaceful slavery.

 

'These men', obviously, believed in safe slavery with those who fought for freedom being gunned down by racist mugs. It's what causes, even now, the racist love of pop-guns.