Italy's voters choose populists, deliver stinging rebuke to Europe

Actually, the MSM agrees with you that there is no migrant crisis. The truth about the migrant crisis is confined to marginalized right wingers.

That and people seeing the migrant crisis with their own eyes in their own neighborhoods.

 

Sure, one flavor does. But MSM is not an ideological machine, it has many arms to dupe many crowds. You're simply buying the flavor designed to you

 

And you prefer the tutti-frutti.

 

There still is such a bubble here in United States, at least on the coast where I live in the Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego area.

I have been telling people about "The Rise of the Right" worldwide (in The West at least) and how the bubble they live in is going to pop dramatically.

I was truly shocked this weekend spending time with my GF's old group of college friends (she went to UCLA, lot of them went to Berkeley n the 27-31 age group)

They have NO CLUE what is going on in Europe right now and when I try to bring up Identity Politics and it being the reason the Left is getting slaughtered all over the world, they scoff and call me "A Republican" with seething hate.

When I know I am making sense is when far Right people hate me and far Left people hate me.

 

I'm trying to immunize myself by going completely insane for a little while

 

This is mainly the result of immigration politics by the left, they choose to open the frontier to everyone, now they pay the price in the moment of elections. People in europe are generally unhappy about migrants and leftist politics, so it comes as no surprise that they vote populists or right parties.

 

What politicians over the last generation have not realized is that 'Culture Counts'.

People will defend to the death their homeland, their heritage, the familiar (from the root 'family) and, in a word, their culture. Without it there is little left with which human beings can identify.

Good for the Italians. "Right Wing' is rapidly becoming Middle of the Road.

 

Are you kidding?

The ruling class likes immigration. They are quick to punish/silence those that speak out against it.

I think you are an unwitting tool of the ruling class on this issue and probably others.

 

You say this because you think the ruling class is whatever politicians the handful of media outlets you regard as "not the lying MSM" is angriest at rather than having an actual enemy.

 

No, I don't. I use common sense.

Both the Democrats and Republicans are soft on immigration. Why? Because the immigrants ensure the reserve army of the unemployed. And you no doubt remember that the Republicans also bitterly opposed Trump. The free movement of capital is complimented by the free movement of labor.

Immigration is objectively bad for the native working class. Immigrants depress wages, compete for housing, overload public services like schools and hospitals.

And I think you will be hard pressed to explain when the unelected Eurocrats are forcing their vassal nations to accept immigrants that the people and their elected representative reject or why the AEI comes out in favor of immigration, if it is not in the interest of the ruling class to import cheap labor.

Unions were anti-immigrant (and anti-free trade, but that's another issue) back when they had some political clout.

This all seems like a no-brainer to me. But I await you cogent analysis of why it is in the interest of the First World working class to swell the ranks of the reserve army of the unemployed. Because I frankly cannot understand your reasoning.

(In fact, I couldn't understand what you posted, but I haven't had my coffee yet. I assume the ruling class position is represented by what the majority of politicians of both parties support.)

 

When the working class won't work for you any more because they want to be middle class instead, replace them.

 

Actually not the right wing, it is the populist party led by Grillo, which got the most votes... they may eventually ally with another party to get the necessary 51% to form a government. Probably a right wing party... the democratic party deluded the italians a lot, which is why they are losing the elections.

 

But the question that is not being asked is where will the African immigrants go now? They certainly won't be going home to Africa so which country will have their social services overloaded by a new wave of 'refugees'?
http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/16/...es-offer-the-most-social-benefits-to-migrants

 

Immigration is an Establishment Approved Battleground Issue. One of those things that they allow such lively debate in that it takes away from the wider view. Everyone narrowly forced into a false dichotomy, no systemic solutions allowed, etc.

 

The problem is immigrant workers reducing wages. The solution is restricting immigration.

I mean its not like you have a "systemic solution" short of tearing everything down and expecting a never specified wonderful society to spring up spontaneously from the ashes.

 

You're so full of hate.........in this day and age.

 

The globalization of capital can't be stopped in a capitalist framework. Capitalism is an evolutionary system that selects for minimal wages and maximal profits, what do you expect to happen?

And your posts are so full of worthless stupid ****, yet I only occasionally complain to you about them.

 

Capitalism s not unegulated

Yes it will choose the lowest wages if allowed to go unchecked in a globalist environment

So dont let it go unchecked

And dont submit to an absolute globalist economy

 

Capitalism runs on several feedback loops that are all accelerating so quickly they're hopelessly out of human control. Frankly, we need to stop worrying about how we're going to stop the inevitable workings of capitalism and focus on how we're going to survive them. We can't go back to the past, we need to do what we can do today. Maybe something could have been done to prevent this, but after Reagan it was already too late.

 

Of course it can. This, I submit, is an unexamined assumption based on an ideological mindset. It is an excuse to ignore palliative measures that can be implemented here and now to the benefit of the working class. Unless you are a proponent of "worse is better," you're on the wrong side of this issue.

I expect the working class to organize and get their fair share. That is why they elected Trump to keep out foreign scabs. Marx was wrong in his prediction of immiseration before and you are wrong now.

And you are on the side of the employers of scabs. How did that happen?

 

Capitalsm does move fast and its a challenge for government to keep up

So we cant expect perfect balance

But we can take steps that are in The NATION as opposed to the global bankers best interest

 

The only good globalist is a dead globalist.

 

“But which is the revolutionary path? Is there one?—To withdraw from the world market, as Samir Amin advises Third World countries to do, in a curious revival of the fascist "economic solution"? Or might it be to go in the opposite direction? To go still further, that is, in the movement of the market, of decoding and deterritorialization? For perhaps the flows are not yet deterritorialized enough, not decoded enough, from the viewpoint of a theory and a practice of a highly schizophrenic character. Not to withdraw from the process, but to go further, to "accelerate the process," as Nietzsche put it: in this matter, the truth is that we haven't seen anything yet.”

Capital has already moved outside of our borders. Unless we're willing to work for less than the chinese poor, it's too late. The economics of the issue is absolutely moot at this point because capital can cross borders trivially and there's no solution to that in sight. Instead, we just have to look at the upshot of the issue. Globalization further scrambles the remnants of national identity and makes the world into a tighter network through which molecular change can be enacted and spread virally.

In a fight, you can't dodge every punch. People who've been in enough fights learn that you can roll with the punches and use them to your advantage in a counterattack. We are not more powerful than capital, so we need to outfox it like that.

You're about 50 years too late to save The Nation

 

If we define globalists as one world no borders one economy absolutists I agree 100%

When done properly international trade is a good thing

But not the way globalists want to do it

 

Dont bet the rent money on that