Any leader who does not believe in climate change needs mental confinement

I'm pretty familiar with the evidence. And I happen to accept that the consensus that it was most likely caused by a combination of things including a grand solar minimum and an increase volcanic activity. But, I'm curious, if you think all of our data regarding the topic is fake then why are you even discussing it. I mean, if you think it's fake then you aren't really in a position to make a hypothesis about the cause right?

 

When did I ever say all the data regarding the LIA is fake? Nice try but you obviously don't want to acknowledge that there's debate among scientist as to what caused it, when it began and even if it's over. What's not open for debate though is the fact that many glaciers melting today didn't even exist before the LIA and those that did became much larger during that period so all this hysteria over glaciers melting is just that, hysteria.

 

I do acknowledge that there is debate about what caused it. Just like there's debate about whether it and the MWP were actually global events or regional events.

What's also not open for debate is that globally ice volumes are declining overall.

 

The debate on the LIA being worldwide is over. It was and glaciers world wide that gew or were created during that era are receding and ice volumn is declining overall as well. Personally I'm glad the LIA is over or at least in hiatus during my brief time on this Earth.

 

I'm glad it's over too. I'm also glad I don't live in one of the hothouse eras. I'd prefer to keep it that way. We are running the experiment now so if we stay the course and let the experiment run to out we'll know either way if another hothouse was/is possible.

 

Just to add fuel to the fire so to speak you may be interested in the following theory that predicts a new ice age on the horizon. This was written by a true believer that hopes the new ice age will counteract our global warming and give us more time to clean up our act. Just goes to show you how wildly complex all this climate change talk is and how many theories are out there.

Earth could be plunged into mini Ice Age - and it could REVERSE global warming

"Earth could be plunged into a mini Ice Age in the next few decades, but there is good news – it could override the damage done by global warming.

By 2030 comes about, the temperatures on Earth could be so low that the River Thames freezes over during winter, much like in the last little ice age which spanned from the 13th to 17th century.

Maths professor Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University said the Ice Age could help offset the damage of global warming.

She said: "I hope global warning will be overridden by this effect, giving humankind and the Earth 30 years to sort out our pollution."

"Currently, we are in the solar maximum, but in 2021, the temperatures given off from the Sun will begin dropping as we enter the solar minimum.

A team led by Prof Zharkova has predicted there will be a massive decrease in magnetic waves for the next three cycles lasting 33 years."

And then there's this that's one I haven't heard yet.

"Recently, experts have said cosmic rays, being shot across the universe when a star dies and explodes then rain ions down onto Earth, could spark a new Ice Age."

"The charged particles from cosmic rays pull water and sulphuric acid together to form clusters, and when these clusters get large enough they can form clouds.

And as more clouds form, the climate cools which can have an impact on long term weather cycles, researchers have said.


Dr Henrik Svensmark, lead author of the study, said: “Finally we have the last piece of the puzzle explaining how particles from space affect climate on Earth.

“It gives an understanding of how changes caused by Solar activity or by supernova activity can change climate.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/897472/ice-age-global-warming-climate-change-solar-minimum

 

Even worse...

 

True, but if I want to be taken seriously I have to point out the deficiencies in the data where they exist even if it works against me.

 

Repeating :

I posted the peer reviewed paper written by experts and including references to papers written by other experts.

It is well known, because it is one of the foundation of the hoax.

I pointed that it represent a classical example of pseudoscience, [HERE I GO SLOWLY AND LOWDER ]

because.

nothing.

can be verified,.

repeated.

in experiments,.

compared to records

including verifiable experiments.

confirming.

a possibility
of determination of temperatures 100 years ago with+- .01C degrees of accuracy.

with application.

to experimentation [ IN OTHER FIELDS like making a CNC to cut with +_.01mm tolerance/accuracy as one example only].

both in the paper and in references.

How the hoax developed further, what social shifts and action of people led to appearances and gaining grounds of the paradigm, the monster called “scientific consensus” and what are, processes ideas and facts behind the IPPCC advertisement you posted was not the subject of my post at all.

You as well as other believers in GW/CC are not capable to see pseudoscience or defend the paper.

All argument you have – scientific consensus.

Whatever is the question or subject you point to scientific consensus, the new religion everyone odd to bow to.

The subject of the tread is religion, a call of a faithful to believe.

COMMON...

 

I have heard Trump deny climate change many times. Those who believe he is the almighty believe him.
Sad but true. Trump just needs to tweet to NASA to get the facts.

 

Can you give us the exact quote where Trump said climate doesn't change?

 

Trump 2012: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

 

That's far from saying climate doesn't change as the previous poster claimed and I agree with trump that"global warming" as used by the left is about politics not climate.

 

Trump 2013: "We should be focused on magnificently clean and healthy air and not distracted by the expensive hoax that is global warming!"

 

And again I agree. It is a hoax and again Trump never said climate doesn't change as a previous poster claimed.

 

In the 70s it was the next ice age, in the 90s it was global warming, now it is climate change and yet they still cannot predict an accurate weather forecast for next week let alone 20 years down the road.

 

Really? Got evidence from the Southern Hemisphere?

But again we know that a Solar minima contributed to the LIA then what is causing the current warming? We have long gone past the point of return to normal from the LIA

 

Here are the solar cycles plotted against global temperature

 

Annnnnddddd here is an example of reiteration of shock jock talking points

 

To be a hoax all of the thousands of scientists directly contributing to the IPCC would have been in on it as well as the tens of thousands of scientists who participated in the research from nearly every country on this planet

Are they all hoaxers?

 

Scientist still debate what caused the LIA and there are only theories so far. It's rediculous to believe they can still debate that but the AGW hypothesis is "settled science". As for the southern hemisphere.

"Contrary to all of the hype about melting glaciers, at least 58 New Zealand glaciers advanced between 1983 and 2008. Indeed, Franz Josef Glacier advanced nearly continuously during those years.

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According to scientists from Victoria University of Wellington and the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA), at least 58 New Zealand glaciers advanced between 1983 and 2008".

https://www.iceagenow.info/trying-explain-new-zealands-unusual-growing-glaciers/

 

Tens of thousands? Since you have the number let's see the names. Maybe you are just repeating BS you heard somewhere?

 

It's not talking points it is history that I have lived through...you should learn your history instead of parroting tho you worship...

 

Bowerbird said: ↑
Really? Got evidence from the Southern Hemisphere?

But again we know that a Solar minima contributed to the LIA then what is causing the current warming? We have long gone past the point of return to normal from the LIA
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By the way glaciers that didn't exist before the LIA are still here so "We have long gone past the point of return to normal from the LIA " ?

 

When you say global warming is a hoax then you are denying not only that the Earth is warming today but you're also denying that climate changes. Remember, global warming is a form of climate change.