A Question For Trump Supporters

LBJ was the worst president in US history hands down. He's the real nation-killer and ones after him just worsened it.

 

unless you are a native american like elizabeth warren, you are an immigrant, or the offspring of an immigrant. not sure there’s any debate to be had on that point. but since you brought it up, what is your point?

 

No humans inhabited the Earth initially, and with the exception of any humans who currently live where the first strain of humans began, the remainder are immigrants.

 

well i was speaking to the current epoch.

 

Maybe so, but that still has nothing to do with personal responsibility.

 

heh. that is quite a leap of logic there my friend. i hope you’re wearing a helmet. your hero obama abuses the power of the state and you have the nerve to blame the citizen for speaking out against it.

 

The change in my personal situation is that I now at least have real hope. The last election told me that there was and are, good Americans that stood up to a sweeping left wing idealism that is 100% contrary to what our forefathers wanted for our great country.
"While we are a nation of immigrants, we are also a nation of laws".... sound familiar? The democrat party has flung itself over the edge of reason and viability IMO. It now clearly stands directly and defiantly in the way of Americans who simply wish to continue our progress as a nation of free and prosperous citizens. No true American really wishes to deport good people who have simply followed their own common sense into our great country. Instead, a real American will try to find a reasonable solution to an immense problem. Immigration without assimilation benefits the left's, and hence the democrat's agenda because with lax voting laws and huge government programs assisting poor immigrants, they will most certainly be encouraged/schooled/cajoled/enticed/facilitated and yes, even coerced to vote democrat. That is because they are continually TOLD that it is democrats who are making all their assistance possible, and it is the Republicans that wish to have their assistance stopped, and them deported or to incur some other ill fate. IMO, the right's request that immigrants be vetted/assimilated/taught/informed/documented and ultimately become a citizen is NOT too much to ask of anyone seeking to reside in our great country.
I believe that people on the outside looking in could easily come to conclude that the democrat party is all about fighting for the poor, and fighting against the rich, because they only see and hear what they are being fed to see and hear. There are mega millions of fat cat democrats too right? Why don't those democrats simply give all their money to the poor? It's because they have a double standard. The poor help democrats stay elected, while they continually decry their opponents as elite rich fat cats who only want the poor for cheap labor.
There are plenty of faults on both sides of the political isle, but the middle ground is ever widening. IMO there will someday be a political party that snubs its nose at both sides and stands in the middle on firm ground with open arms. There are viable solutions to real problems just waiting to be had, if only good people would come to the middle and work together instead of steadfastly clinging to unrealistic and narrow positions.
IMO, the arrogant blowhard narcissist a$$hat we now have in office is 100% tolerable, given the impending alternative we conservatives faced. It blows my mind that the democrat party continues to have any support at all, but it is easy to see that their base is comprised mostly of angry youngsters and women who have been spoon fed a constant diet of hate and left wing directives by an ever growing onslaught of liberal educators. These educators have gone rogue in there madness to fundamentally change America into a liberal cesspool, thus facilitating a hard slide into a global quagmire of controlled humans. Liberalism is in dire need of a spanking. I personally am glad to see it happening, and I hope we can do it without violence from the right. So far, contrary to what the MSM is telling anyone who will listen, there has been huge restraint from good Americans who realize that the violence from the left is much to do with a disease and weak minds being manipulated into doing things that otherwise would go against their sense of decency. What was once taught to be indecent behavior is now being encouraged and lauded as patriotic and even honorable. Aggressive, disruptive and even riotous behavior is now being encouraged by democrats. Fascist behavior is now being encouraged by the left to fight fascism.
Our country is most certainly wobbling. Somewhere, somehow, someone needs to step up with a sensible position and the leadership skills to make it a reality.
What a long winded answer to a simple question, huh?

 

A) I wouldn’t pi$$ on Obama if he were on fire. So there’s that
B) Never said people couldn’t speak out against it. So not sure why you’re making things up...
Oh wait...I know why
Sorry if personal responsibility is something you don’t like. I live by it.
By the way...are you upset car insurance is mandatory?

 

car insurance is voluntary. careful that straw is flammable.

as to obamacare, being compelled by the state nanny is not an example of personal responsibilty.

and yes you criticized spooky for speaking out against the state compelling her to buy insurance.

 

Car insurance is mandatory
Never criticized spooky for speaking out. I criticized her for blaming Obama for the choices SHE has made.
Would be nice if you stopped being disingenuous.

 

Record setting business and income.
Highest market value of portfolio ever.
Companies returning from offshore and other things giving people confidence in the future.
Pressure on the Washington establishment to do more, and do it better. Less BS for us.
Regulations being cut back as never before, the process getting cleaned up. Again- less BS for us.
It's like having the ropes cut, so business can move again.
That's good for everyone, not just me.

Perhaps best of the best- He prevented an HC presidency that would have us in the sewer by now.

 

driving a car is voluntary. hence, so is insuring it, and only for liability against damage you may cause to another citizen’s property or person. if you do not drive a car, you do not represent a liability to another person’s property or person, hence you do not have to purchase insurance. so you are wrong.

obamacare requires the citizen to purchase insurance involuntarily simply for existing. spooky is right to blame obama for this abuse of state power.

 

Well no sh!t you need a car to have car insurance. I assumed you knew that much. Anyone with a car has to purchase car insurance.
Spooky only has herself to blame for not having health insurance. End of story.

 

that comment should be directed at yourself for your bogus claim that “car insurance is mandatory.”

which is voluntary. your point thorougly refuted, what else ya got?

ha, i see what did there... trying to move the goalposts, cheeky! this is not about spooky having health insurance, it is about dear leader obama requiring her to. you claimed car insurance was mandatory in an attempt to conlate it with obamacare. so that pillar of your argument again having been thoroughly destroyed i reiterate my original point that being subject to a fine for not having insurance is OBAMA’S fault. that is irrefutable.

 

Hmmmm

Another new poster right before the election spouting Trumpian dogma.

Socks?

 

Living is not "voluntary".

And without decent healthcare you have a good chance of NOT living

 

While birth is not "voluntary", the desire for continued existence is.

But who should be held responsible for providing ones healthcare needs/wants, and why?

 

beat me to it. but lesh exhibits just about the best example of the statist mentality on the forum. this is the same poster, mind you, who said “if you are too stupid to have health insurance you should pay a fine.”

 

I'm a Democratic Socialist, and I just wanted to assure you there's no danger of your fear actually happening.

 

I would totally bail on trump if he tried to appease you people and sell America out. If democrats win I'm sure we can see a lot more tax money flowing to the palestinians and Iranians. Anybody in the world except Americans will receive Humanitarian aid.

 

I'm sorry, but I may not be quite intelligent enough to understand your post. Socks?..... what does that talk mean?
Did I misspell something, or are you asking the color of my socks?
Again.... my intelligence must be far beneath your obvious prowess. I humbly apologize.

 

sure it is. many people choose to stop living every day.

and in your view the state should bear that reponsibility? what else should the state require of you, yunno, for your own good?

 

Many of the posters here are overly fond of abbreviations. Yes, thid often makes their posts indecipherable.

This poster might be making a reference to 'sock puppets'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)

 

Sorry to say it, but your conservative side hasn't been, and isn't, so good at giving out humanitarian aid to the Americans who need it.

 

Your side is a lot better at giving humanitarian aid to our enemies who threatened to kill us. If Americans aren't going to get any aid I rather see our enemies not get any either.