Former synagogue president: Trump not welcome

Are all trumpkins from the past, then? Or does the present and its right wing terrorism **** them up so much their fragile psychologies cause them to retreat back to happier times when their co-travellers weren't so naziviolent?

 

Cute how you side stepped my comment. Or is your kind going to shoot more politicians & beat more non followers?

 

This week it's full on domestic terrorism from right wing extremists who parrot all the usual trumpkin talking points that has to be avoided via bad faith questions and comments.

 

Says the party that brought in a porn star from two decades ago cause that’s how pathetic the l1btards are.

 

Trump doesn't have to rush against Jews explicitly.
It's enough to spread hate against immigrants.
Most right wing extremists believe that Jews are the master minds behind immigration, because they want to destroy the white race.

 

Maybe that's why she's the former president. The current president is very happy to welcome President Trump.

Funny how liberals want to heed what came before - unless of course it's the US Constitution.

 

I'm the democratic party's spokesperson now?

Does this mean I get to go head to head with the ever unmountable Sarah The Sea Hag?

 

Discussing the reality of the situation is not hate speech. The reality of the situation is that thousands of migrants are heading to our boarder to attempt to cross illegally. They are not refugees running from a war torn country as many on the left will try to argue. These are people coming here to exploit our sanctuary city/welfare state. That is the why they turned down Mexico's offer.

It's not members of the government with R's next to their names calling for incivility, it's the D's. Reference recent public comments from Waters, Clinton, and many others.

 

As do African American left wing extremist and both are wrong.

 

You should know by know that Trump is not a very eloquent speaker. He was referring to people that were protesting removal of civil war statues, he clarified that in the very next sentence which is usually left out when people quote this "very fine people" comment. I agree it was poor choice of words, and a poor time to talk about people angry about removal of history, but I highly doubt based on the context of the question asked, and Trumps response that he was defending anti-semites or white supremacy.

 

So two wrongs makes a right? If anyone is to blame for stirring up the crazies, it would be the left. Reference recent comments from Maxine, Clinton, and other high level Dems.

 

You're right, but it depends on rhetoric.
Trump stirs fear and hatred with his way of talking about the problem.

This very language makes Nazi-Idiots like the one at the beginning of this video frantic.

 

Once again you are quoting a time when Trump poorly worded what he was trying to state and the media ran with it as if it was evidence he is a neo-Nazi himself. Do you deny that murders, rapists, drug traffickers, human traffickers, and other bad people are exploiting our weak border system? In his very next sentence he said he was sure good people were crossing to. I think its much more dangerous that the media spins when Trump misspeaks, then the actual quotes themselves.

 

Trump wasn't referring to those people pictured and was instead referring to the many thousands that showed up to protest the removal of the monuments.

 

This example is quite probably the only time I agree the press was wrong on Trump..... That's exactly what he meant, but he was truly incapable of making that distinction clear, and thus the "both sides" phrase haunts him to this day.

There were people there simply to protest the removal of monuments.... whether they were the majority or the minority will likely never be known. I doubt it was thousands....

How did this thread detour to Charlottesville??

 

In post #74, I provide a link to the full text of the question from the press and trump’s answers.

Here is a snippet ...

REPORTER: They have called on you to defend your national security adviser H.R. McMaster against these attacks.

TRUMP: I did that before. Senator McCain? Senator McCain. You mean the one that voted against Obamacare? Who is Senator McCain? You mean senator McCain who voted against us getting good health care?

REPORTER: Senator McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those that perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he is talking about, but when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead. Define it for me, come on, let's go.

REPORTER: Senator McCain defined them as the same group.

TRUMP: Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at [indiscernible] – excuse me – what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: What about this? What about the fact that they came charging – they came charging with clubs in their hands swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: As far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day. Wait a minute, I'm not finished. I'm not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day.

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you had, you had a group on one side that was bad. And you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group – you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent.

REPORTER: Do you think what you call the alt left is the same as neo-Nazis?

TRUMP: Those people – all of those people, excuse me – I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

 

Yes, and my point stands. Trump is not a great speaker, but he was not calling neo-Nazi's good people as you and many others have claimed.

 

My claim, made in post #36 was that trump said, “You also had some very fine people on both sides.”

If you read the transcript, he clearly does say that.

You folks are trying to spin this as being out of context, but I provided the full context and it doesn’t change the meaning of those words.

 

REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

TRUMP: Oh no, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down – excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay, good. Are we going to take down his statue? He was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue? You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

 

Yes, and he was clearly referring to the "anti-destroy history" crowd that quickly became overshadowed by the neo-nazi's at the event. The event was called Unite the Right, and it turned out to be dubiously sponsored and organized by hate groups, but it was not advertised as such. Many people showed up thinking it was a protest against tearing down historical statues because SJWs were offended. It was similar to the Woman's March which was sponsored and organized by the anti-Semitic and notorious alt-left activist Linda Sarsour. Would it be fair to say there was some very fine people at the Woman's March, or can I unequivocally label everyone who attended an anti-Semite?

 

No one in the Women’s March was recorded chanting, “Jews will not replace us!”

 

What a shame she would politicize the event and to do so on a false premise to boot.

 

There are false premises on both sides here...

 

The only thing random is the series of questions. What is it in there you think is so damning?

People, I think, have a top down view of what happened in Charlottesville, tainted by the fog of memory. I live here. I was at the protest. Let me break down what happened in the lead up to this. This all started with a smart young girl who caught the attention of our vice mayor, a sexist, racist piece of ****, Wes Bellamy with an open letter.
https://medium.com/@zbryant/an-open-letter-to-dr-wes-bellamy-a11be7f620f

Bellamy then began meeting with her and then she writes this letter to city council about the Lee statue. C'ville is a wickedly progressive hippy meets hipster sort of climate. Noise starts being made about tearing down the statue, and people began trying to debate... as Bryant and Bellamy start hitting media and the internet.

https://www.change.org/p/charlottes...k-and-remove-the-statue-in-charlottesville-va

I am against the removal of the statue, and whitewashing history. I also studied the civil war a lot as a youth, and know that Lee found slavery abhorant. So folks who think like I do, and folks who don't, start showing up at city council meetings to argue. It escalates quickly. A public hearing is held.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/31757362...uncil-holds-public-hearing-on-lee-park-statue

So as we are debating, and demonstrating, suddenly this prick who lives here, Jason Kessler, being a white supremacist, sees an opportunity to conflate conservative beliefs with his in the national spotlight organized this rally. He gets the permits, mainly because city council doesn't want to be sued for denying a lawful permit, and a bunch of ******bags pack some mayonnaise sandwiches and head here to celebrate hate.

I didn't hear about the rally until the day before, and was like... oh hell no. I went down to counterprotest, to be clear to these rejects that they aren't "with us" and are destroying our cause by appropriating it. I didn't get the memo that this was not to be a counter-protest, but a brawl. It was absolute ****ing bedlam. The counterprotesters were armed with everything from urine bottles to baseball bars. The cops were doing absolutely nothing to stop the counterprotesters from assaulting anyone they thought might be trying to get to the protest side. Skirmishes breaking out everywhere. **** being thrown at the protesters. Nobody is getting arrested. They held the barracades around the protesters, that's it.

This is not what I came for, to be part of a violent mob. I am on nobodies side in this ****, so I leave. Before I get to my car, the cops declared it an unlawful gathering, and punted the protesters into a sea of violent counterprotesters with a lot of antifa in their midsts. That's where the rap broke down. Really glad I wasnt in the thick of it. The libs were absolutely unhinged. I was having to defend my ****ing beliefs to these screaming nutjobs because my clothes were clean. If you didn't have dreadlocks or smell bad, this was pretty much how it went. Thank God I wasnt wearing a polo...



I knew Heather. The girl killed in that video. She was my wife's best friends roommate. A sweet girl. But another thing about the cops and that incident. ALL traffic was diverted to that spot across the downtown mall, which is where all the mob were. It was a recipe for disaster.

In the immediate aftermath of that rally, everything imploded. They covered the Lee statue with black plastic, and nobody was trying to hear about preserving history. Statues all over started being defaced and destroyed. Conversation started nationwide about which statues need to go. In that atmosphere came your linked transcript the president condemned the rally participants in at least three times. The "sides" which had good people in them were the debate on preserving or destroying historical monuments. The scumbag neonazis were not violent, the counterprotesters were, and in various instances the protesters reacted, mostly in self defense. Katie Couric got doused in piss ffs. Both sides wanted to fight, but the counterprotesters were off the chain, and demanded violence.

 

No, they were just led in Islamic prayer sessions over loud speakers from known and active anti-Semites.