Ocasio-Cortez: Amazon’s HQ2 In NY's Long Island City Is ‘Extremely Concerning’

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  1. Bluesguy

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    It's an HQ not a distribution center but still LOTS of taxes flowing into the city. Atlanta, Charlotte, Richmond, Jacksonville.............
     
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    Yup, firmly on the liberal plantation. Self-sufficiency for the poor is like Kryptonite to Democrats.
     
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    She is not even installed in Congress yet so how was she supposed to buy anyone's votes. How was she buying votes on a bartenders salary??
     
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    She will in two years.
     
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    Your point would have been a very valid one, say, 100 years ago, before the advent of modern technology and reliance on rapid transportation, including immense amounts of air traffic. But today? BTW, how did you receive your last Amazon delivery? By some guy with a horse-pulled wagon? See what I mean? But I concede the point if this would only be a location where some corporate big-wigs park their asses and "think great thoughts"... an 'administrative' headquarters with nothing else going on....

    I live in Colorado and I very honestly don't know what the government of Georgia or Atlanta did to try to attract Amazon. If they didn't even try to compete, then shame on them....

    I recommended Atlanta purely because of location, location, location. And, proximity to relatively cheap land, in an area with relatively cheap labor, and easy access to an enormous airport.... Again, I made the assumption, possibly mistaken, that there would be activity besides that of a big bunch of corporate toadies all making momentous decisions and impressing each other by having better parking spaces....
     
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    We can only dream.

    Personally I believe they should stick with the one in Crystal City in Virginia and pull out of new York and build the other HQ in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.

    And that middle finger would be straight up and high, not some wimpy chickie version of the Royal Big Bird.
     
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    Your numbers are WAY off. It's $2.5 billion in salaries in exchange for $2 billion in subsidies and $500 million in cash.
     
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    It's a friggin' headquarters, not a distribution/fulfillment center that they are building.

    One would think you would already know that.
     
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    That's a lie.
     
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    I'm not omniscient, and the decision was only announced this morning. Again, I thought this East Coast location would be one where the company actually DOES something besides having people in thousand-dollar suits sitting around hundred-thousand dollar conference room tables.... Whatever. I've been a very happy Amazon customer for over 18 years, so if they want to squander money on an East Coast headquarters location just pretty much for the hell of it, that's fine with me....
     
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    Jeff Bezos became---by FAR---the richest man in the world in less than 20 years.

    The man doesn't make a big move like this "just for the hell of it".

    Do you thinkbelieve you are a better businessman than Jeff?
     
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    Then why don't you give us your numbers? Do you think it is $1.5 million in tax incentives per year? That is what you think?
     
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    The profits will still go to Seattle.
     
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    I believe she is objecting to the $48,000 per job tax subsidy the city is offering to Amazon to attract the jobs, and the fact that the high paid technical jobs by and large will not go to local residents but instead to many out of state workers.
     
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    NY and Northern Virginia offered a combined $3 billion ($1.5 billion each). Dallas offered $600 million and it wasn't enough.
     
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    Cortez is wrong on many issues, but she has a point here. Amazon went around to every state and negotiated for better deals. Ultimately NY and TN gave the best offers. Amazon got an amazing sweetheart deal at the taxpayers expense. So she is right to be upset.

    However, Amazon is bringing 25,000 high paying executive jobs to NY (and 2,500 in TN). It was a big investment, but it well worth it for the people of NY. Cortez doesn’t understand this easy principal.
     
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    That ditz has a point?

    Why do you ignorantly say that ditz has a point when you offer up a decent counter-argument to the decerebrate point that you are referring to?
     
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    All the employees commute across the country? No local shippers?
     
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    Maybe she IS representing her constituents. Don't you like that?
     
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    You're right about Trump handing out sweet rewards, but I don't see him being between socialists and communists. But I don't see fascists being there either.
     
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    If it's a proven, solid corporation the tax sweeteners are usually going to be covered after a few years and then the local and state governments get more total revenue from the company, the support businesses, income taxes, sales taxes, and other taxes than they possibly could have without the company.

    If it's an experimental company, an unproven company, or a company with low rated paper, it's a crap shoot.

    imo Amazon is low risk.
     
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    Hell, if one of these new Amazon employees spring for a dinner at a quality restaurant with a few of their peers, the sales tax alone on that meal would be more than a butload of her constituents would pay in a year.
     
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    Yeah, this ain't Solyndra.
     
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    Solyndra had a decent and innovative product.
     
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    I agree that Amazon is low risk, but .... the but can be enormous. But what if it closes earlier than projected?

    We here in the East Bay Area (SF area) are now stuck with the Oakland Coliseum. The As want out. The Raiders are leaving. The Warriors are going to San Francisco.

    I believe that during the life span of the Coliseum, it still owes debts.

    We here in Fremont had Solyndra notorious for gobbling up millions of dollrs and folding like a cheap suit. Went Bankrupt.
     

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