"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Sounds good. As long as it doesn't involve stealing people's money.

 

Good. Lets do it. Then we can use the extra money to subsidize the poor people over 55.
Everybody saves. No money stolen.

 

No, I mean civilizations. The civilization doesn't need to be of a form such as a state. It's more fundamental than that.

Your characterization of single payer healthcare is flawed. It's closer to insurance. Medicare for all is coverage for everyone through the taxes everyone pays.

No, you do not have a right to steal your neighbor's property. And, if you get caught doing that you will rightly be arrested and convicted.

 

Am I the only person in the world who has no right to steal my neighbor's property? Or does this ethical rule apply to all people?

 

Because they care about power and they know the tantalizing bait of free **** is irresistable.

 

Why aren't you volunteering to buy this wonderful policy from the gov directly, since it's so much better and cheeper than what you buy from your private policy provider now?

 

At the cost of something else minus gov waste

 

Ok, you've identified what you think others owe you.
What do you owe them other than consuming resources and taking up space?

 

Usually it's the military. They have good old Uncle Sam, World Police!

 

When people's health care is covered, they return to work after recovery from illness - they pay taxes on their income and increased productivity. That also helps pay for medicare for all.

 

If Bush_Stupid hadn't started his two wars of imperialistic terrorism and treason, it would have saved the taxpayers $2+ trillion.

 

Who said that the gov grants the AMA the authority to limit the number of seats. The AMA and the AAMC both lobby congress and state legislators hard to limit the amount of competition to the medical profession. Both by PA, PT, MSN and even Dentists and by limiting the seats - other doctors .

I don't have the opportunity to start a medical school, but I do have the opportunity as a citizen to ask my congressman to pressure medical schools to increase enrollment.

But to take your tack, why do you think colleges don't increase the number of seats in Medical schools but do so readily in every other professional school. Just remember they don't have to graduate them just have them attend and get $65,000-75,000 in tuition.

 

What policy from the government are you suggesting I should buy?

Of course your post doesn't address the issue, which involves covering all American citizens like all other industrializeed nations cover their citizens.

 

As with all insurance, its premiums that pay for it.

I don't get why this is such a big mystery.

 

All other industrialized nations pay LESS than we do, yet they cover all their citizens.

You can measure "gov waste" by comparing Medicare management to insurance company management.

Have you bothered to do that?

Or, are you just parroting talking points?

 

Asked and answered.

 

We pay 3/4s, more or less, for congress' health care insurance. We also pay for their vacations and family care. They work about 3 days a week for which they get $174K and up per year.

The health care insurance they get is ObamaCares Gold Plan.

And yet, they refuse to allow us to pay for our own insurance. They refuse to pass minimum wage, family leave, vacation time.

Medicare is paid for by premiums, just like any other insurance. Even though you pay that premium all your life, it covers only about 80%. You must pay a second insurance plan for the other 20%. You must also pay for yet another insurance plan for drugs. IOW, you pay in much more than you get back.

RWNJs should stop that totally incorrect notion that, because of ObamaCares, they pay for the care for others. In point of fact, all insurance depends on those who don't use it. That includes your mandatory car insurance, home owner's/renters insurance.

If you don't want to pay for the care of others, lobby to end Ronnie RayGun's socialist EMTALA. The irony is that you approve of EMTALA and it is one of the few times when undocumented actually do get help from the system. And you know those "anchor" babies RWs hate (except if the kid's name is Barron)? Undocumented can give birth or get an abortion through EMTALA. But before you blow a gasket, only about 18% of those in the ER are not insured and even fewer are undocumented.

 

If that were true, you could show how every other industrialized country in the world has high government officials who are weilding power in some inappropriate way.

Are you just going to make unsupported statements of your own dogma, or do you actually have an issue worth talking about.

Also, you need to explain how these countries serve ALL their citizness, yet LESS is being spent on healthcare.

After all, isn't the cost of healthcare one of the key issues?

 

Congress was granted the power to legislate all matters pertaining to the General Welfare of We the People.

 

Wrong!

The AMA is NOT a government entity!

 

In other words, you want a government monopoly on medicine across the entire United States... how to pay for such a monstrosity will be the least of this country's worries.

 

We cover the poor now and you buy your own policy directly. Why aren't you volunteering to buy your own wonderful government run insurance policy when the gov starts issuing them?

 

So consuming oxygen is your part of the exchange?

 

It will cost far less than the current 18% of the GDP!

https://www.healthexec.com/topics/quality/healthcare-spending-will-hit-20-us-gdp

Corporate GREED is the PRIMARY CAUSE of the excessive costs of healthcare.

 

No, it wasn't. The clause you cite gives congress the power to tax. It may only tax for three reasons: to pay the debts, to provide for the common defense, and to provide for the general welfare of the united states.

There is no constitutional authority to operate medicare.