Will you be willing to take the results of Muellers investigation when presented?

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Will you be willing to take the results of Muellers investigation when presented?

  1. Yes - I will accept the results - I am a liberal

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  2. Yes- I will accept the results - I am a conservative

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  3. Only if they exonerate Trump will I accept them - I am a Liberal

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  4. Only if they exonerate Trump will I accept them - I am a conservative

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  5. No - I will not accept the results - I am a liberal

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  6. No - I will not accept the results - I am a conservative

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  7. Other - Please specify below.

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently, what Mueller finds does not matter to you. "Dirty Dons"? "Orange Idiot?"
    Typical of those who need no evidence for a lynching, because they never liked the guy anyway, and that is all the evidence they need.
    After all these years of trying to civilize our society, of promoting the respect for equal justice since the founding of the nation- we still have people who think like that.
     
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    Except that won't happen either. If the Democrats win the next presidential election prosecuting former President Trump will seem like "piling on" and would start a round of political warfare that will make it impossible for a Democratic president to do their job.

    If a Republican president replaces Trump then allowing him to be prosecuted would alienate millions of his former supporters and have about the same results.

    These are about the reasons that President Ford pardoned President Nixon. And Ford was a man with an impeccable reputation both personally and politically.
     
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    Citizens from all over America donate money to politicians

    Does that make all of us washington insiders?

    Of course not

    Trump is from new york and was not a washington politicoan before winning the 2016 presidential election
     
  4. struth

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    So far I have had no problem with where it's lead...I think it's shown that there is no obstruction, no collusion etc....I certainly do not like the tactics used, and believe it's a dark cloud on our justice system....but I don't take issue with the results. It's ;certainly come time to wrap it up
     
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    It does not help that they have no crime to prosecute trump for
     
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    As far as I can tell the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel has exemplified the integrity, diligence, competence, and scrupulous discretion for which so many Republicans had praised him upon his appointment.

    As progress has necessarily leaked in the form of criminal indictments, convictions, and confessions in the course of his exposing Russia's interference in a US presidential election to help Trump and hurt Clinton, it has become obvious that the hysterical Trump tweet-raving "Witch Hunt!" one hundred and twenty-five times at last count has failed to convince Americans that sorcery is being directed at the unstable narcissist.

    I never thought "collusion" in which Trump was personally involved could be proven, and that whatever depravity is exposed concerning him, that he will not be impeached and will cling to office until 2020.
     
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    Vaguely connected?
    His son and son in law are only vaguely connected?
     
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    Other - Independent/Libertarian and I don't care.
     
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    Does the fact that Mueller - the one heading up the investigation - is a republican not matter? Or are his motives under suspicion as well? And when did that happen? When did he become a suspicious character?
     
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    Storzk and Page were assigned by Mueller on this investigation team while Mueller knew Storzk and Page had extreme bias against Trump. They were removed after their text were exposed.

    Strzok was the Deputy Director and Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI. At no time in history has this level position of the FBI ever assigned to head up an investigation. Any investigation. But Storzk was assigned to lead the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server. He is not an investigator, he is an analyst. It would be like assigning a hospital chief of staff to perform heart surgery. Yes, he's see it before and most likely assisted in operations but why would you do this when you have a hundred heart surgeons on staff that have done thousands of these. Its to control the outcome. Storzk was also the guy who changed Comeys speech language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to extremely careless.

    Strzok's bias has made him a poster child for Trump and his supporters, who believe the Mueller probe into alleged campaign collusion with Russia is biased.

    I am not defending anything I am providing here as I don't want to be viewed as bias myself. What I am saying is this is why Muellers democratic team is never going to pass muster if they decide to charge Trump
     
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    I appreciate that - and perhaps I am idealistic - but I believe that the country has to start trusting again. If Trump, for example, was PROVEN and not just FOUND to have colluded with Russians, it should be taken at its face. This nightmare will never end otherwise. I'm afraid the country has undergone such a shift of mistrust and hatred that it will take decades to recover. People will not trust elections or decisions - a very dangerous place for the country.
     
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    Do you have any evidence of this?
     
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    That is exactly right and what pisses me off is these people know this but still are doing things in a lopsided fashion. On Both sides of the equation.
     
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    Of being assigned or Mueller knowing their bias
     
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    Either, but especially the latter. My understanding is Page was assigned to Mueller's staff. Don't know about Strzok.
     
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    I would want to read his report before making that decision. As long as it seems sound and provides evidence I would be inclined to accept it.
     
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    Strzok demanded declassification, other FBI powers before joining Mueller team, emails show
    https://www.judicialwatch.org/press...ities-for-mueller-special-counsel-assignment/
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/st...owers-before-joining-mueller-team-emails-show

    If you are wondering how Mueller knew about Storzk bias against Trump. The entire world knew about it and was argued for over a year. How is it possible that Mueller doesn't know it. That is just common sense.
     
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    I'm afraid what you posted doesn't prove a thing. Having someone at the hyper-partisan Judicial Watch draw a conclusion based on an assumption.........only to be amplified by the notoriously misleading folks at Faux (who began their biased piece by identifying Strzok as "Anti-Trump FBI agent," does not in any way substantiate your claim.
    Furthermore, according to this............
    Mueller had recently become aware of text messages between Strzok—who was then one of the top investigators for Mueller’s probe of Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential campaign—and Lisa Page, an F.B.I. lawyer who was also assigned to Mueller’s staff.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/peter-strzok-behind-the-scenes-fbi-agent-public-hearing

    ......it appears both Strzok and Page were assigned to work with Mueller.

    Have anything else?
     
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    Is there anyone on Mueller's team that has not either worked for The Clintons or donated money to them?
     
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    If you could only do something more than use innuendo instead of showing a substantive reason anyone should believe the investigation has been corrupted that would be helpful to your cause.
     
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    Personally I think it is hard to ignore the fact he was at the centre of a proven circle of corruption.. you can't stand in a pig pen without getting dirty
     
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    uh. Thats what I said. Storzk and page were assigned to Muellers team. What am I missing
     
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    Is there anyone who has?

    Surely if this were so there would be screams from the rooftops
     
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    You really don't know? ;-)
     
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    IOW, you would rather not answer the question. ;-)
     

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