What if the border wall isn’t effective?

I didn't miss or ignore the rest of your post. My point was, you were suggesting that companies had no choice but to break the law and hire illegal immigrants. If that is the only choice a company has then maybe it should fail.

 

And NO ONE ever said a wall would cover every inch. And you might want to check on those Disney numbers Bet they've got 2400 miles of wall snaking around their property, hehe.

 

When every combat vehicle is a drone of some sort, then you’re going to want the best gamers controlling them all. And if you watch gaming tournaments the big fat slobs are not the ones winning.

 

If the feds do not keep illegal aliens out and allow cheaters to hire them then honest employers will be forced to hire illegals also

The problem begins with lack of border security


If that is the only choice a company has then maybe it should fail.

You sound like a government employee with a guranteed job

Someone puts their whole life into a business and you want them to just piss it away?

Thats sick

 

Bet they don't, he he.

We have dismissed your fallacy of kind as opposed to degree.

You now admit you don't need 2400 miles of wall. Why not?

And you have not proved that we need more wall than what we have and that more personnel and technology would not be better.

 

Thats delusional

The US military may be forced try push button warfare but it will not work

Manly enemies will kick snowflake ass and America will be ****ed

 

Adjust yes. Overcome the lack of skeletal and muscular development, no. Develop balance and reflexes of the entire body as an adult necessary to perform certain tasks and avoid injury, no. Acquire self motivation, ability to asses and manage risk, determination, and positive attitude in adulthood, highly unlikely.

This is another reason immigrant labor is often superior to “home grown” labor at any wage level or rates of employment/unemployment.

This isn’t in response to you Mac-7 because I know this isn’t your belief. But many don’t appreciate the complexity of the immigration problem. It isn’t a simple function of greedy capitalists wanting cheap labor. That’s the prevailing argument but it is shallow and not based on reality.

 

Interesting thought process.

 

Amen.

There has been no actual presentation on what we could possibly get for blowing through $5B on MORE wall - at a time when half those here illegally came LEGALLY, the vast majority of illegal drugs cross that border THROUGH THE CHECKPOINTS, and terrorists enter the US LEGALLY.



This wall is being sold by whipping up the hate of white supremacists - where NO logic need ever be considered.

The very least we should expect from a "business" oriented administration is some sort of analysis when we're ready to hose down the border in more, more, more of our tax dollars.

Why is the current gigantic funding inadequate?
What's going to be accomplished - in numbers?
What's the return on our investment?

 

Very good point. Physical prowess/fitness is essential to excellent mental health. Without excellent mental health even drone controllers are at a disadvantage.

Decoupling physical health from our educational system is a huge mistake. One that may be our ultimate downfall.

 

You bring up some good questions, but unfortunately much of Trump's base can't think of the long term. They can only think in the short term. Trump says he wants 500 feet built by November 6, 2020. 500 feet of wall isn't going to, you know, keep those big, bad Mexicans and Central Americans from coming in.

 

Just curious where you come up with the 500 ft figure? Let’s try and be accurate with facts at least.

 

Trump humpers will never admit it's a failure. Even if it the monument to stupidity is built and fails, they'll move the goalposts saying it wasn't built high enough or some other excuse. Asking them to accept their failures in life and not blame immigrants is a fools errand.

I guess the campaign promise that mexico would pay for it has been forgotten as well. Idiots.

 

No

The opposition such as yourself cannot prevent border security with valid arguments so you play the race card instead

You are the one wallowing in emotion rather than logic

 

Is it really too much to ask that democrats support border security and not be for open borders.

 

Employing illegal aliens should be a felony with minimum prison sentences. It must be enforced in addition to a wall. Then our"illegal" situation would fade away.

 

I don't get the lettuce pickers, most of the farm workers are here legally or they are on work visas. I would not even bother that industry. They are many farm workers who are on Visas for that purpose, they come here every year for 6 months and their families stay at home They follow the harvest. I seen documentaries on them and some of the conditions they face. Money that is given and spent on illegals should be earmarked so that they can have better living conditions. Many just live in shacks on the farm for a month with running water being a hose and outhouses.
and gas grills for cooking. These are people we exploit legally so that we can have cheap food. A nickle more a pound so that these guys and women can have decent lives while they work like dogs would be right.

 

Let’s face it - most of Trumps base think that the wall is going to go down the centre of the Rio Grande

 

The government is responsible but the rest - That is bullshit. You have urban poor working as dishwashers, bus people, landscapers etc. tough hardworking people who have difficulty finding employment. Legal immigrants differ from illegals in their work ethic how?
Are there unemployed legal immigrants who lose their jobs to illegals?

I don't want a surplus of labor, in capitalism a surplus of workers has the effect of lowering wages. I want a labor shortage where there will be a resulting increase in wages as there is competition for workers. Maybe some urban blacks will now have jobs opened to them that were closed due to a drug conviction. Now when the wages have risen and the demand is still there, an increase in legal immigration can and will occur. People bring up the "doing jobs americans rather not do", but in an economic slowdown, choices are limited, so that work that is available should be there for legal and natural citizens. This boom will only last so long, then unemployment will be at 8% again.

 

Just like if a salesman sells drugs, heah, i worked hard, I took risks why should i be thrown in jail. One uses an illegal product, the other uses a illegal mfg process. Jail them.

 

No, we need a wall, more personnel, more technology, more rigid enforcement of employment laws, foreign aid to these countries to prevent the exodus of their people, more deportations to show the futility in coming here. It is not just one thing, but all of them to prevent this destruction of our border.

 

Maybe in the unsidedown world of lib la la land your attitude makes sense

Now you are using the immigration issue to shill for drug legalization

Thats sick

 

This is crap, so people that want the wall and want to curb illegal immigration are white supremacists and racist. You would never call me a racist or a white supremacist to my face. I voted for every democrat for 44 years from McGovern to Oboma, with the exception of William Weld for governor back in the 80s.

"No one" wants to see people live in poverty or danger. But there is much to do in our country for our citizens before we can be generous with foreigners. My grandparents immigrated from the Azores 100 years ago, We grew up speaking Portuguese in our household (never out of it! we are in america, We speak English I remember my grandparents saying to my parents)

I am sick of the new liberals that abandon our own poor and less fortunate in a quest for morality superiority.

 

We have to repeal the assylum law loophole

 

I am in favor of legalization. The government has no right to tell me what I can injess into my own body.

But that was not the point I was trying to make, If an act is illegal, it should be illegal to profit from it and it should be punished. We live in a land of laws and I want all the laws to either be enforced or changed. I don't wantpeople to pick and choose what laws they will live by.