Turkey set to invade northern Syria, White House says, raising concerns for Kurdish fighters

Trump clearly stated that the Kurds did not storm the beaches at Normandie. However he did not give them credit for securing Newark Airport during the Revolutionary War.

 

Did you share the view like many Democrats when Trump was elected that the US would be starting new wars in the ME? Are you now surprised that fear mongering hasn't happened? Now if Hillary Clinton was president I have no doubt we'd be neck deep in the ME.

 

The ME is an endless war. So how long should the US continue to send troops?

 

And on this, we agree. Though SA as an ally is like a virgin dating her future rapist--best not to do it.

 

At very least, not send them home with the genocide of the Kurds as a debt paid for a favor bribed.

 

We are not a police force.

Tuff!

The troops that we had there amounted to nothing anyways.

 

Sure, and maybe cats will be given the right to vote

Great response

 

They were preventing the slaughter of kurd fighters and civilians up until donnie gave his buddy Erdogan the green light for genocide

 

Our jets were protecting the Kurd's..........not ground troops.

Syria isn't worth one single American.

 

Condoleezza Rice slams Trump's Syrian Kurds policy - "wrong, impulsive, big mistake" [Rice for President Yahoo Group]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/rice-for-president/conversations/messages/2390
Indiana, October 10th, 2019
In response to a question from Desch about whether President Trump was “wrong” to withdraw American forces from Syria after declaring victory against ISIS, Rice responded in the affirmative. Earlier this week, Turkey launched attacks against American-allied Kurdish forces after seeming to get Washington’s blessing for such a move.

“Yeah, he was wrong,” Rice said. “There’s no other way to say it. I don’t think it was particularly well-thought out. I think he actually fell into a trap that [Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan] set. Erdogan is a very clever man, and I think he probably said something like, ‘I know you want to bring your troops home. This is the chance to do it.’ And the president took it. I’m quite sure afterwards his aides said to him, ‘Do you know what you just did?’ and he probably said ‘No I didn’t,’ and they probably said, ‘Yes you did.’”

Rice said the administration’s decision could threaten progress made against ISIS on the ground in Syria.

“They’ve been trying to backtrack on it ever since, because it was 100 American soldiers,” she said. “The whole idea was that you were just saying to the Turks ‘Don’t go after the Kurds.’ The Kurds in return were keeping the jails for the 1,500 or so ISIS soldiers and their families. The Kurds are fighters, so if the Turks come after them the Kurds are not going to lay down. They’re going to fight. They’re going to leave those ISIS fighters right where they are and go fight. Then, you will have released 1,500 ISIS personnel into that very unstable region. So I think it was a big mistake. But maybe now — I hope — that what is happening is that underneath is someone is going to Erdogan and saying, ‘Don’t go any further.’”

Rice also said the decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria was a “rather impulsive decision.” She hopes this decision is turned around because we owe the Kurds “more than that,” regarding the impulsive decision to remove troops.
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Supreme Allied Condista comments



The adventurer Erdogan is bang out of order in ordering Turkish forces to launch an invasion of Rojava, the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, held by America's Kurdish allies.

The US and NATO allies should apply as much pressure as it takes to get Turkey to co-ordinate all of its actions in Syria with the US and with NATO, to stop attacking Rojava's defence forces, the Syrian Democratic Forces, our brave allies in the fight against ISIS, and to withdraw from Rojava.

Turkey should beware that there is no Status of Forces Agreement for the Turkish military in Rojava, none whatsoever, so Turkish forces should withdraw so as not to provoke further fighting with the SDF. It does no-one any good for two of the US's allies to be fighting each other.

Think of the Suez Crisis in 1956, think of the United States applying political pressure to force the UK, France and Israel to withdraw their forces from Suez after their adventurous invasion.

Sometimes a US ally or two will go off on their own and do something stupid and that is what Turkey has now done in Syria and the blame for that and the stupidity is entirely of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who has greatly exceeded what little remains of his dwindling international authority.

The US should apply pressure to Turkey

• to require Turkish forces to co-ordinate, to stop attacking and to withdraw

or

• to remove the adventurer Erdogan from the office of president

or

• both.

That is not to say that Turkey "cannot" play a helpful role in future in Syria. Turkey can and Turkey should help in Syria, but this is not helping, this is not the way.

See also

BBC: US Republicans seek sanctions on Turkey over Syria

"Republicans in the US House of Representatives have announced plans to introduce a sanctions bill against Turkey for its offensive in Syria.
Congresswoman Liz Cheney said Turkey must face "serious consequences for mercilessly attacking our Kurdish allies" in the region.
...
Critics say the US withdrawal effectively gave Turkey the green light to begin its cross-border assault, which President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says is to create a "safe zone" running for 480km along the Syrian side of the border.

Kurdish militias of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) control the cross-border areas - groups Turkey calls "terrorists" who support an anti-Turkish insurgency.

The SDF have been key allies of the United States in the battle against the Islamic State (IS) group, and say they have been "stabbed in the back" by the US.

There are fears the operation could lead to an ethnic cleansing of Kurds and revive IS."​

 

Saudi Arabia is our oldest ally and they have never been on the dole. Everyone who knows anything about the Middle East knows that.. They were also a staunch ally during the Cold War.

 

Who wrote the last part of that post? Condaleeza or you?

Do you think Turkey or the Kurds should pay for what Bashar Assad has done?

 

Are you putting our troops down?

 

No, silly... he's saying that those 1 000 troops were not enough to do anything in regard to the kurds.

 

Actually our troops have done quite well fighting should to shoulder with the Kurds the past few years. Trump has shamed them and they have been vocal about it.

 

Keep believing that.

 

Why don't you believe it? You think our troops and their officers are all liars?

 

No, i know that 1,000 troops is an insignifiant number.

Why do you always build strawman.

 

LOL.. Our troops are NOT insignificant. You should read what they are saying.

 

Me of course. What part of -

- don't you understand?

Neither. Assad should pay for his own crimes.

 

You don't seem to understand what other are posting...

1,000 troops in a warzone are insignificant.

 

Yep, Give the Kurds the Eastern part of Syria and tell Erdogan to knock it off.

 

342 PKK/PYD militants have been killed.
https://www.cnnturk.com/turkiye/son...ana-kadar-342-terorist-etkisiz-hale-getirildi

Our armed forces display sensitivity to not kill civilians by accident as far as possible.

 

I am happy to see you again too, @Talon
You are my old pal !

Say to Lindsey Graham "shut up!". People like Graham have devastating Turko-American alliance, they do not understand this dynamics of this relationship and its past and they insist to continue and avoid to square accounts of Obama administration's mistakes.

First of all, why did United States choose PKK as a partner to fight agaist ISIS teror ? ? This was the worst mistake.
PKK (according to us it is a terrorist) have changed demographics of Northern Syria. We have about 3.7 million Syrians in our country, all those people are originally from Northern Syria. So our operation mainly aims to send Syrians back to North.
We do not want anybody to stop us. European Union are so selfish to accept/neutralize those people.

Why did United States choose to work with us, AS YOUR NATO ALLY against ISIS from the begining ? ? ? Why doesn't Graham ask this question himself ?

 

This isn't good, Turkic.. International sympathy goes to the Kurds.. right or wrong. Isn't there some sort of compromise? Let the Kurds have Eastern Syria.. Assad is the bad guy here.. Not the Turks or the Kurds.