No Defense of Trump??

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    There is an Evangelist claiming a Civil War if Trump is impeached.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/who-is-robert-jeffress-civil-war-trump-impeachment.html
    He also warned that if Democrats remove Donald Trump from office, it would lead to “a Civil War–like fracture in this nation from which this country will never heal.”
     
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    They're asking for one if half the country feels they've been disenfranchised. As is being revealed, there was a Deep State plot to do exactly that. Even Comey, said on impeachment, it's a year before the election, let the people decide next Nov.
     
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    And you say he isn't smart.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you agree that since the basis for trump being impeached was started illegally, that it should be thrown out. Good to know.
     
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    Negotiations are part of any deal and there is always a mutual advantage reached, well, unless you're Obama dealing with Iran. Trump isn't a lawyer so his conversations aren't covered in fuzz to hide the truth about what is really being said. I'm glad he isn't 'educated' in the formal sense and I like his foreign policies related to trade and defense.

    This impeachment BS is going to run it's course and he will still be your President if you continue to live here. He is very likely to get reelected because the best candidate the left has today is the same one that was so upset after the last election.
     
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    Was was compelling was Rep. Ratcliffe destroying Taylor's testimony ibn about a two minute cross examination.
     
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    LOL, it was the LW who wouldn't accept the last election results, hence the soft coup attempt.
     
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    Hilarious!
     
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    "Although claims of executive privilege have been made since the administration of George Washington, the law remains remarkably unclear, partly because the relevant actors have usually tried to avoid a direct confrontation if possible. Thus, who prevails in the current controversy may turn out to be less a matter of what the law is, than of who blinks first: Congress … the Administration, or the courts." Michael C. Dorf
     
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    I think Matthew Whitaker said your argument more clearly when he said, "abuse of power isn't a crime."
     
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    Power is for using or it's nothing. Not every use is abuse but the cabal running this kangaroo court may well be guilty of that.
     
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    Every impeachment proceeding in US history started with a phase where interviews were conducted behind closed doors.

    And you are the second defender, in the last 15 minutes or so, to defend trump's actions by saying, "he is going to win in 2020."
     
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    Why Team Trump is wrong about Carter Page, the dossier and that secret warrant
    Mueller's Russia probe wasn't launched because of Carter Page, and the dossier compiled by an ex-spy was only part of the evidence cited to get a warrant.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...ut-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666

    Four different judges, all appointed by Republican presidents, signed off on electronic surveillance of Carter Page.


    And that's the end of a long process that involves multiple layers of review within the FBI and the Justice Department, current and former officials say. Anyone trying to put one over on the FISA court would be risking his or her career.

    It was not improper — and perfectly normal — for the FBI to disclose information from the Steele dossier as part of the warrant application.
     
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    You have yet to explain how he destroyed that testimony.
     
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    You really think he won't?
     
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    I really think "he will win in 2020" is a **** defense for his behavior.
     
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    I think corruption should be rooted out and destroyed by any means necessary.
    Sad that you have put your political ideology ahead of the most fundamental laws of this nation.
     
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    It's true that every case of refusing a subpoena is not sufficient grounds for impeachment, if that's what you're trying to say.

    I'd point out that all that stuff Mueller gathered has been blocked from reaching congress.

    Claiming piles of evidence when it has been prevented from being reviewed is kind of silly, isn't it?
     
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    I agree that is a serious problem that will last for years. It goes to the root of how much we may be trusted. And, we're never going to get Russia and Iran out of the places we've opened for them. And, the process failures (not even notifying our military) and the "quid pro quo" is clearly not acceptable.

    BUT, the assault on our democracy is even more serious. There are the election campaign issues. And, there is the demonstrated ability of the President to break the law and get away with it by defeating congressional oversight - the checks and balances that are so fundamental to how our government works.

    Without the checks and balances clearly stated in our constitution, we don' t even have a way to address a US president who is going rogue on an international scale.
     
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    Russia and Iran are rivals in the gas market... Part of all this weirdness is about Nordstream II pipeline.
     
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    All of the above has been proven with the following exceptions; no one on the left ever accused the Russians of changing votes once they had been cast and the pee tapes aren't proven.
     
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    This deep state conspiracy is a joke !!!!!
     
  25. mdrobster

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    I blame Republicans, i.e., McConnell and Graham, specifically for not even coming close to doing their job. They've allowed a spiteful child to make terrible foreign policy decisions. As for the local or in-house issues, like the elections, that can be rectified with one voting term. While I agree it is wrong, corruption there is more ubiquitous than reported. That said, you are correct the checks and balances are not being executed as much as it should with this Admin.
     
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