Will trump respond to subpoenas after a vote?

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you disagreed with the Constitution? I certainly haven't.
    And therein lies the problem. Leftists feel that their accusations are just as good as actual evidence. But just repeating your feelings over and over again will never make a legitimate case.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Impeach away. It will be ignored anyway.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But so what if the Democrats do impeach? Will anyone but the hardcore leftists really care? Impeachment certainly doesn't have the significance it once did because at one time it was a matter of honor and reputation. But no one would ever consider those words when considering either Nancy Pelosi or Adam Schiff.
     
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    There is no need to respond.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. And so he should.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don’t have to.
    Just to check your bearings though, what do you think would happen in a court if the accused openly threatened witnesses, refused to comply with subpoenas and ordered subordinates to refuse to comply with subpoenas?
     
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    I can post sources for you to ignore where he has threatened witnesses and ordered subordinates to disregard lawful subpoenas. The obstruction is apparent. As are the emoluments violations.
     
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    There is no such thing as absolute Executive immunity.
     
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    History will care, it will show that we didn’t take the unlawful actions and destruction of hundreds of years of presidential norms lying down.
    trump has shown what republicans represent, this will cement it in the history books.
     
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    Then, if they feel strongly enough about it, they should impeach. And then what will happen?
     
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    So history will care? And history won't record what the Democrats have been up to for over three years?

    If the Democrats are dragging the country through this charade so they can gain a positive reputation in the history books then they are certainly mistaken.
     
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    Then what do you think will happen to the President?
     
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    how can the congress do its job of executive oversight if the executive simply does not respond to subpoenas

    that said, why say that he would not respond to subpoenas until a vote was taken
     
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    It will move to the senate — who will likely ignore the evidence presented, even if it is valid — where he will be acquitted.
    Republicans will say the house process is invalid, the senate process is valid, and Democrats will argue the opposite.
    Then the people will vote in 2020.

    One thing is certain, we will remain extremely divided and it can be traced down to “he trolls librilz good” as at least a partial reason.
     
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    What do you believe the democrats have been up to?
    Electoral fraud in NC, legislators attempting to dismantle the power of various positions because they lost to the vote of the people, attempting to push legislation through holding votes when they can manipulate the outcome, an investigation into foreign interference that saw dozens arrested, refusing to even hear bills that have passed in the opposite chamber? All thats on republicans.

    What do you believe will be shown against the democrats?
     
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    Congress is not doing its job. They should be looking at infrastructure, immigration reform, national security, health care and any number of other issues. It is not their job to impeach Presidents simply because they don't like him.
    Because Congress has diminished the word 'impeachment' until it has lost it's sting. Just like calling someone a Fascist. Trump can wear that impeachment charge by the Democrats (minus two) as a badge of honor, and he'll get in by a landslide, If Democrats concerned themselves with MAGA, rather than abusing the process, and the Constitution, they'd have a better chance.
     
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    " Otherwise the political destruction of Congressional credibility will continue indefinitely. "

    Mitch will make sure of that.
     
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    It can all be traced back to the Steele Dossier and the consequences thereafter.
     
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    "They should be looking at infrastructure, immigration reform, national security, health care and any number of other issues."

    Trump had two years of complete control of Congress and he was only interested in dismantling Health
    Care and an immigration purge. Many of his executive orders could have become permanent law if enacted by his nuclear Congress, but no, he wanted the credit.
     
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    Paul Ryan was Majority leader at the time, did a very poor job, and resigned. Trump does not control Congress.
     
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    "Partially corroborated" doesn't cut it and the dossier was designed to embarrass Trump, not Hillary Clinton.

    Investigations are almost complete and we'll learn more but the point was that the problems we face today all stem from that period.
     
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    What do you think would haopen in a court if the accused one was completely exonarated by the alleged victim the Ukrainian president?No one blackmailed, no one bullied me into doing something I did not want to do, the call was a perfectly normal and casual conversation between two presidents.
     
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    They'll re-elect Trump by a huge majority and the Republicans will gain control of Congress.
     
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    Analogy time. A woman denies being raped but they charge some guy with raping her anyway. Leftist logic..
     

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